Bounce to disk only bouncing one track..

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:29 pm

I have an audio track w/ vox and a MIDI track with keys I'm trying to bounce down as a final audio file for mastering. The MIDI track is routed to a VI plugin on an Instrument Track. Both the Instrument track and the Audio track share the same Main outs. when I go to bounce to disk and select the "main outs" as the source, only the vox appear on the final bounce--no keys.

Why sin' the MIDI geoing on the bounce? All tracks are selected...

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:42 pm

Bounce to disk won't bounce unrendered VI/MIDI tracks. It only bounces audio tracks (as well as aux FX)

You can either 'freeze' the MIDI track first. Or use a stereo bus to record your mix to a new audio track.

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Fri May 11, 2007 4:00 pm

Thanks...but that would require doubling my track count? that seems very inefficient and a bit absurd..

I'm a film composer and I generally work exclusively with VI's Instrument Tracks) and no audio tracks. A standard orchestral template for me would be about 125 MIDI tracks (all routed to 15 instances of EWQLSO each loaded into an instrument track) with no audio tracks. Are you saying each of these 125 MIDI tracks needs to be rendered as audio before i can do a bouce?? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of a multi-track bounce? And the the whole purpose of the instrument track which generates the audio directly routed to the mainouts in the first place? That sounds like a totally unecesary waste of time and resourcecs to me, I must be missing something, sorry. Would mind explaining that a bit further?

In Logic for example the "audio instrument" track is the equivilant of the "instrument track" in DP. In logic, as long as all those audio instrument tracks are routed to the same outs, a single bounce will capture all the audio in the project (namely all the audio coming out of those 15 VI instances because it''s all routed to the same outs). So you'll have the 15 audio instruments with the plugins in them, adn the 125 MIDI tracks which are triggering those samples. A single bounce gets it all, no "rendering" required. It's already audio afterall.

mr miyagi · Post by **mr miyagi** » Fri May 11, 2007 4:06 pm

that's correct, DP does not export audio from VIs as you describe the way it does in Logic. You have to create a stereo mix PRINT first, then bounce that track.

Just create a new stereo audio track and use your master out as your input and record.

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Fri May 11, 2007 4:21 pm

Thanks, I see, I can do it all with one additional audio track as you say. Still seems quite silly to have to essentially bounce MIDI twice though.

I know DP is like, known for it's MIDI prowess...you'd think they would have gotten this together by now. Printing MIDI to audio should be handeled automatically on a bounce. Making the user do it for DP is a bit low-rent imho. Sort of like a manual-feed on a xerox machine. it's like, come on..

Anyway, it won't let me select main outs as input for the new stereo audio track. Only the various inputs on my 828mkII. how do I select an output asw an input in this manner if it's not showing up in the pulldown list of available inputs?

I really appreciate the help.

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:26 pm

does anyone know how to do this? do i need to bus each instrument track to a seperate audio track? is there another way to do it? you cannot selct main out as an input for an audio track so i don't know how I can print this audio without some seriously frustrating routing. there is no explanation of this ridiculous procedure anywhere in the manual that i can find.

it says nowhere in the manual that you even need to print MIDI tracks to audio before bounce. It just seems that some people are aware of this on this forum? it considers instrument tracks audio tracks, it says so in the manual. by all accounts and dp's description of instrument tracks, they should work as logis ai tracks do. what's the point of instrument tracks routing audio to the main outs, if DP doesn't recognize that? oye...where is this MIDI-friendly environment i heard so many rumors about?

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:45 pm

Create a new stereo bus named 'MIX' (or whatever you want to call it), in your audio bundles.

Use option-a to route all of your VI's outputs to this bus (select all of the tracks and hit opt-a).

Create a new audio track and set your 'MIX' bus as its input.

Hit Record. There's your mix - you can use 'export soundbites' in the soundbites window to export it as a different format if you need to.

There's actually a lot of advantages to bouncing mixes this way. I pretty much do it for everything.

I also use DP primarily for film & TV composing. Don't worry, you've got the right software. It's awesome for scoring work.

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:07 pm

Thanks, i appreciate the help. i remember when I switched over to Sibelius from Finale. It was a royal pain but well worth it in the end. I'm hoping for a similar outcome.

Quick question about using Vi's...
I adjusted the buffer in "configure hardware driver" to 128 because at 512 I was getting unusally bad latency with MIDI (play the note and a second later sound comes out of the VI). And I was told Dp only process 128 samples anyway. But now, if I have as little as 6 MIDI tracks playing busy parts simutaneousy, I get pops and clicks and the error message saying the CPu overloaded etc. With the same system, same VIs, and Logic I had 100 track arrangements blasting away no problem.

Any thoughts? My system is pretty fierce, and w/ 4 Gigs of ram and a dual 2.0 processor I should definitely be getting well over 10 times the instruments I have before hearing artifacts..

Thanks again for your input, it's greatly appreciated.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:38 am

ongbundt wrote:Thanks, i appreciate the help. i remember when I switched over to Sibelius from Finale. It was a royal pain but well worth it in the end. I'm hoping for a similar outcome.

Quick question about using Vi's...
I adjusted the buffer in "configure hardware driver" to 128 because at 512 I was getting unusally bad latency with MIDI (play the note and a second later sound comes out of the VI). And I was told Dp only process 128 samples anyway. But now, if I have as little as 6 MIDI tracks playing busy parts simutaneousy, I get pops and clicks and the error message saying the CPu overloaded etc. With the same system, same VIs, and Logic I had 100 track arrangements blasting away no problem.

Any thoughts? My system is pretty fierce, and w/ 4 Gigs of ram and a dual 2.0 processor I should definitely be getting well over 10 times the instruments I have before hearing artifacts..

Thanks again for your input, it's greatly appreciated.

DP does not process VI's as efficiently as Logic. What can we say? None of us is particularly proud of that fact, but on the other hand, it doesn't keep us awake at night. But I can suggest something that will help. Upgrade your copy of DP from 5.0 to 5.11 at least. That release did more for DP than any release since the first version of DP for OS X emerged in about this month of 2003. DP for OS X is 4 years old this month!

You'll find version 5.11 to be faster, and less draw on your CPU, but not like Logic. Some say it's not that far from Logic now, performance-wise; I wouldn't know. It's plenty fast for me. Of course, I'm using an Intel machine.

Shooshie

ongbundt · Post by **ongbundt** » Sat May 12, 2007 9:03 am

I'm definitely upgrading, just waiting for the registration to come through.

I know there is a glitch here if I'm getting pops and clicks with just 6 MIDI tracks running. I'm just asking for a tip to fix this.. I'm sure it's a buffer setting or some such, just looking for a tip. I know for a fact i shouldn't be gtting artifcts with 6 MIDI tracks. Certainly not with a dual 2.0 and 4 gigs of ram. i mean I bought this software with the intention of running 120+ track templates..