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- Shooshie
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Just ordered two books: the Mastering Engineer's Handbook (Bobby Oswinski), and Mastering Audio: The Art and Science (Bob Katz). I've got a pile of others that have been good to me. My old standby was published in the 1970s, and is called The Recording Studio Handbook, by John Woram. It's pretty basic these days, but basic in the good way: fundamentals and clear, concise data. It's not cluttered with the technology of today, which sometimes masks the basics with options and knobs and faders and all other sorts of things. Digital was still a gleam in the corporate logo of Philips when this book was published, so everything in it is pure audio, pure acoustics, pure analog. I'm looking forward to some more in-depth information about mastering, and a better collection of digital techniques.
No hope of building a studio space any time soon, but I'll be ready when the time comes.
Shooshie
No hope of building a studio space any time soon, but I'll be ready when the time comes.
Shooshie
|l| OS X 10.12.6 |l| DP 10.0 |l| 2.4 GHz 12-Core MacPro Mid-2012 |l| 40GB RAM |l| Mach5.3 |l| Waves 9.x |l| Altiverb |l| Ivory 2 New York Steinway |l| Wallander WIVI 2.30 Winds, Brass, Saxes |l| Garritan Aria |l| VSL 5.3.1 and VSL Pro 2.3.1 |l| Yamaha WX-5 MIDI Wind Controller |l| Roland FC-300 |l|
- Shooshie
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Actually, I have to correct myself. I didn't get the Mastering Engineer's Handbook by Oswinski, but the Mixing Engineer's Handbook. It seemed to get much higher reviews than the other, which actually had much information copied from the Mixing Engineer's Handbook, reportedly verbatim if some accounts are to be believed. And with Katz's book, I figured this would be a more diverse way of spending this month's book budget than buying two books on the same subject. Oswinski's mastering book reportedly is not as technical, but uses more anecdotal interviews than factual explanations. I'll take mine hard-core, thank you. 
Shooshie

Shooshie
|l| OS X 10.12.6 |l| DP 10.0 |l| 2.4 GHz 12-Core MacPro Mid-2012 |l| 40GB RAM |l| Mach5.3 |l| Waves 9.x |l| Altiverb |l| Ivory 2 New York Steinway |l| Wallander WIVI 2.30 Winds, Brass, Saxes |l| Garritan Aria |l| VSL 5.3.1 and VSL Pro 2.3.1 |l| Yamaha WX-5 MIDI Wind Controller |l| Roland FC-300 |l|
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Room treatments can happen, once I decide on a decent pair of monitors. So far its a pair of Dynaudio home speakers driven by a NAD receiver. That and a pair of Grado SR325's for headphone listening and overall late-night creativity.
After a session of downloading I decided Ozone is a good thing. Here's a track called Resolutions with and without (It is a bit long, just a warning):
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 16435&q=hi
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 86519&q=hi
First as it was, although mutilated by the MP3 squeeze. Then with an Ozone preset applied.
'bot
After a session of downloading I decided Ozone is a good thing. Here's a track called Resolutions with and without (It is a bit long, just a warning):
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 16435&q=hi
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 86519&q=hi
First as it was, although mutilated by the MP3 squeeze. Then with an Ozone preset applied.
'bot
G5 2x2.7, 3.5 Gig, 250HD, Fastlane, Korg Wavestation, DP5.11, Absynth 4, Intakt, FM7/8, EWQLSE, Massive, Reaktor 5, and more
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- Location: san antonio TX
I've found the Uad precision limiter to be a nice general tool to set overall levels after a mix is complete - much smoother and transparent limiting than the stock master works limiter
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Mac Pro (early 2009 - originally 4,1 - flashed to 5,1) 2 x 3.42 GHz 6-Core Xeon X5690, 64 gigs PC3-10600 RAM, OS 10.13.3, DP9.52, UAD2 duo, UAD2 solo,
Superior drummer 2, Mach 5-3, Ivory, PCIe 424, BL modded 24i/o, MIDI express XT, unisyn, Melodyne 2, Izotope RX2, Addictive Drums, Pianoteq
Mac Pro (early 2009 - originally 4,1 - flashed to 5,1) 2 x 3.42 GHz 6-Core Xeon X5690, 64 gigs PC3-10600 RAM, OS 10.13.3, DP9.52, UAD2 duo, UAD2 solo,
Superior drummer 2, Mach 5-3, Ivory, PCIe 424, BL modded 24i/o, MIDI express XT, unisyn, Melodyne 2, Izotope RX2, Addictive Drums, Pianoteq
Shooshie: I think you'll really like Mastering Engineer's Handbook (Bobby Oswinski)
I've read allot of pro audio books and have learned more from this one than any other.
He explains very simple tricks that you would never pick up from just listening to music.
One for example was layering multiple short verbs on vocals or recording your mix with a couple of room mikes, compressing that and using it as a verb,theres tons of good stuff in there.
I read Mastering Audio: The Art and Science (Bob Katz) twice and as far as the Science goes this is a great book but made me realize you really do need someone else to master your stuff.
Frodo: Be careful with that nail gun remember that a 2" nail will come through the other side of 1 3/4" material.
And really I'm not that stupid but it hurts like hell and couldn't play guitar for a month.
I've read allot of pro audio books and have learned more from this one than any other.
He explains very simple tricks that you would never pick up from just listening to music.
One for example was layering multiple short verbs on vocals or recording your mix with a couple of room mikes, compressing that and using it as a verb,theres tons of good stuff in there.
I read Mastering Audio: The Art and Science (Bob Katz) twice and as far as the Science goes this is a great book but made me realize you really do need someone else to master your stuff.
Frodo: Be careful with that nail gun remember that a 2" nail will come through the other side of 1 3/4" material.
And really I'm not that stupid but it hurts like hell and couldn't play guitar for a month.
Oh, fear not-- great care will be taken. I'm using a variety of nail lengths to suit the particular need. Lumber is 1" x 3", so 2" nails will work well on the corners.wylie1 wrote: Frodo: Be careful with that nail gun remember that a 2" nail will come through the other side of 1 3/4" material.
And really I'm not that stupid but it hurts like hell and couldn't play guitar for a month.
For the oak floor sectional, I'm mounting the slats onto 3/4" polyboard, so 1/2" nails are being used there. Wherever possible, I'll actually be using wood screws because it will be easier to disassmble, move and reassemble elsewhere if needed.
I know the topic of mastering can go off onto a tangent, but I'm really excited about pinpointing absorption coefficients to make sure I'm getting the best out of my monitors. The few things I've done already have already improved the sound, and this is going to save a lot of time and guesswork with mixing and mastering.
6,1 MacPro, 96GB RAM, macOS Monterey 12.7.6, DP 11.33
Yes, I agree. DIY is the way to go unless you have money to burn. I used some of Ethan Winer's techniques when I built my studio, and have some bass traps built into the walls. For years now I've lived with this 147 Hz "bump." It's really small but I'm getting fussy in my old age. So I'm gonna try the Helmholtz routine this summer. (At least that's the plan.)Frodo wrote:The thing I appreciate more and more is the notion of "grooming the nest", so to speak. It's one thing to just walk in and get to work, but it's another thing to put some thought and care into one's workspace-- then to have it turn out well and function exactly as needed. $500 for one 2'x4' Auralex Venus Bass Trap? No way. I just spent $6 on lumber $34 on 6 panels of rock wool, and $20 on some pretty good looking covering material. This is going to soon cover part of a wall area 8'w x 4'h.
The commercial stuff is very attractive, but with a little creativity the DIY stuff can look great too. My clients have commented that they like recording in my studio because it feels "cozy." I guess that's a good thing.

Phil
DP 11.34. 2020 M1 Mac Mini [9,1] (16 Gig RAM), Mac Pro 3GHz 8 core [6,1] (16 Gig RAM), OS 15.3/11.6.2, Lynx Aurora (n) 8tb, MOTU 8pre-es, MOTU M6, MOTU 828, Apogee Rosetta 800, UAD-2 Satellite, a truckload of outboard gear and plug-ins, and a partridge in a pear tree.
- Dwetmaster
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- Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:59 am
- Primary DAW OS: MacOS
- Location: Montreal Canada
Is it me or it's VST only?. What do you do to make it work in DP?Frodo wrote:Frekoscope Spectrum Analyzer:
http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/ffttools/
MacPro 8Core 2.8GHZ 16GB RAM OSX10.8.3
MacBook Pro 17" Unibody 2011 OSX10.8.3
896mk3, BLA Modded 896HD, BLA Microclock, MTP-AV, Yamaha KX-8, CME VX-7 Mackie Ctrl, megadrum, Presonus C-S,
DP8.04, Bidule, M5 3, Ethno 2, BPM 1.5 Kontakt4, BFD2, SD2, Omnisphere, Wave Arts P-S5, Altiverb7, PSP VW & OldTimer, VB3, Ivory 2 Grand, True Pianos, Ozone 5, Reason 4, AmpliTube3, Bla bla bla...
A few El & Ac basses & Guitars, Hammond A-100.
MacBook Pro 17" Unibody 2011 OSX10.8.3
896mk3, BLA Modded 896HD, BLA Microclock, MTP-AV, Yamaha KX-8, CME VX-7 Mackie Ctrl, megadrum, Presonus C-S,
DP8.04, Bidule, M5 3, Ethno 2, BPM 1.5 Kontakt4, BFD2, SD2, Omnisphere, Wave Arts P-S5, Altiverb7, PSP VW & OldTimer, VB3, Ivory 2 Grand, True Pianos, Ozone 5, Reason 4, AmpliTube3, Bla bla bla...
A few El & Ac basses & Guitars, Hammond A-100.
- monkey man
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- Location: Melbourne, Australia
- Dwetmaster
- Posts: 3491
- Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:59 am
- Primary DAW OS: MacOS
- Location: Montreal Canada
I don't have a VST Wrapper. I' have a look into this.
MacPro 8Core 2.8GHZ 16GB RAM OSX10.8.3
MacBook Pro 17" Unibody 2011 OSX10.8.3
896mk3, BLA Modded 896HD, BLA Microclock, MTP-AV, Yamaha KX-8, CME VX-7 Mackie Ctrl, megadrum, Presonus C-S,
DP8.04, Bidule, M5 3, Ethno 2, BPM 1.5 Kontakt4, BFD2, SD2, Omnisphere, Wave Arts P-S5, Altiverb7, PSP VW & OldTimer, VB3, Ivory 2 Grand, True Pianos, Ozone 5, Reason 4, AmpliTube3, Bla bla bla...
A few El & Ac basses & Guitars, Hammond A-100.
MacBook Pro 17" Unibody 2011 OSX10.8.3
896mk3, BLA Modded 896HD, BLA Microclock, MTP-AV, Yamaha KX-8, CME VX-7 Mackie Ctrl, megadrum, Presonus C-S,
DP8.04, Bidule, M5 3, Ethno 2, BPM 1.5 Kontakt4, BFD2, SD2, Omnisphere, Wave Arts P-S5, Altiverb7, PSP VW & OldTimer, VB3, Ivory 2 Grand, True Pianos, Ozone 5, Reason 4, AmpliTube3, Bla bla bla...
A few El & Ac basses & Guitars, Hammond A-100.