Originally posted by Shooshie:
That could be the last straw; the one that puts MOTU out of business. Do you think they can afford another complete rewrite? And if they have to do that, do you think they'll do any more development on what we already have?
Sucks either way.
And what about us users? We will have to buy new everything. New CPUs, new audio interfaces, new MIDI interfaces, new software... I foresee this costing me easily between $10,000 and $15,000.
Dammit. I just want to make music. I'm sick of computers. Sick of upgrades. Sick of compatibility. Sick of having to make things work every time I change one piece of software. Now, we're talking about starting over, essentially.
Jobs doesn't understand what he's about to do.
At last--at long last--this will kill Apple and the Mac. I've never said that before. Ever. I've always believed the Mac would prevail. But it won't survive another chip/OS change. This time the developers will "just say no" to Apple. There is no money in it for them.
Steve Jobs, you finally blew it.
Shooshie
Sorry shooshie, but the reality is DSP TDM is long gone......PC's have finally come up to par with DSP TDM, especially with the onset of X2 AMD chips. The proof is in Avid (digi) buying M-Audio, even they know that PC power is equal or surpassing, or rather, will surpass that of proprietary hardware solutions.
I see this as a win. Why? Windows longhorn looks to be invasive, if this next gen MAC OS (with is really emulation on top of UNIX anyway) prooves to work x86, I can forsee many users switching from MSFT to Apple OS, especially if they have gigastudio and other x86 coded software.
I see this as a good move, been saying it for years and years, (by the way, quad cores are coming too, in addition, there are some newer CPU's from AMD that require NO FAN, and are cool to the touch, that should be coming soon.
If DP for example went x86, I see it as a good thing, this would mean many users frustrated with the terrible notation portions of Nuendo/SX moving toward DP and LOGIC, while able to keep their x86 VST plug-ins.
Presently, I have a machine that cost me $900 to build and surpasses the top of the line DUAL G5 in far as performance goes, (VST plug-ins, CPU usage, etc)... see here:
Here is a quote from one user...
"...............
Outstanding. You get better performance at lower latencies than dual
2.5GHz Mac G5, for instance. Better than dual 3.0GHz
Xeon................."
Here is the newer test:
http://www.adkproaudio.com/downloads.cfm
Here are my results: for the newer test (non fivetower test)
DMA BUFFER SIZE PERCENTAGE Latency NOTES:
64 75%-90 1ms Played fine, two pops toward end, delay in stopping
after hitting STOP.
128 62%-68%/70% 2m Played fine
256 57%/62-63% 5ms " "
384 53%-61%-62% 8ms " "
512 51%-58% 11ms " "
768 50%/55% 17ms " "
Here are some images to back it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/fullpix.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/2800memory.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/everest-test.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_READ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_write.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_Latency.jpg
Also, for point of reference....
Five Tower Tests
New core by Carillion
35 Idle
56 Play....
Mine
30 Idle
43 Play
The present day macs just don't cut it in terms of power (IBM PowerPC chips) and need water cooling to keep them functional.
peace