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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by Timeline:
So Steve wears all black and says the first Mactel will be released on 06.06.06 = 666

Luke, I'm your father ;-)
Right. Like anyone could ever draw a connection between Satan and an apple.

Er...

Anyway, 666 may be the number of the beast, but 36B is the number of a breast. Probably.

Is this mic on?
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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FYI - Apple Developer site has XCODE dual binaries tools up and ready for download.

Also has Mac Intel transition kit ready for order for upper level developers. Includes a loaner mac intel machine and tools.

http://developer.apple.com/
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by Morpheo:
Originally posted by maintiger:
i am sure motu was kept in the dark and kicked in the stomach today...
Why would they have been kept in the dark ?
well we certainly were... and I just bought a G5...
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by Shooshie:
That could be the last straw; the one that puts MOTU out of business. Do you think they can afford another complete rewrite? And if they have to do that, do you think they'll do any more development on what we already have?

Sucks either way.

And what about us users? We will have to buy new everything. New CPUs, new audio interfaces, new MIDI interfaces, new software... I foresee this costing me easily between $10,000 and $15,000.

Dammit. I just want to make music. I'm sick of computers. Sick of upgrades. Sick of compatibility. Sick of having to make things work every time I change one piece of software. Now, we're talking about starting over, essentially.

Jobs doesn't understand what he's about to do.

At last--at long last--this will kill Apple and the Mac. I've never said that before. Ever. I've always believed the Mac would prevail. But it won't survive another chip/OS change. This time the developers will "just say no" to Apple. There is no money in it for them.

Steve Jobs, you finally blew it.

Shooshie
Sorry shooshie, but the reality is DSP TDM is long gone......PC's have finally come up to par with DSP TDM, especially with the onset of X2 AMD chips. The proof is in Avid (digi) buying M-Audio, even they know that PC power is equal or surpassing, or rather, will surpass that of proprietary hardware solutions.

I see this as a win. Why? Windows longhorn looks to be invasive, if this next gen MAC OS (with is really emulation on top of UNIX anyway) prooves to work x86, I can forsee many users switching from MSFT to Apple OS, especially if they have gigastudio and other x86 coded software.

I see this as a good move, been saying it for years and years, (by the way, quad cores are coming too, in addition, there are some newer CPU's from AMD that require NO FAN, and are cool to the touch, that should be coming soon.

If DP for example went x86, I see it as a good thing, this would mean many users frustrated with the terrible notation portions of Nuendo/SX moving toward DP and LOGIC, while able to keep their x86 VST plug-ins.

Presently, I have a machine that cost me $900 to build and surpasses the top of the line DUAL G5 in far as performance goes, (VST plug-ins, CPU usage, etc)... see here:
Here is a quote from one user...

"...............
Outstanding. You get better performance at lower latencies than dual
2.5GHz Mac G5, for instance. Better than dual 3.0GHz
Xeon................."

Here is the newer test:

http://www.adkproaudio.com/downloads.cfm

Here are my results: for the newer test (non fivetower test)
DMA BUFFER SIZE PERCENTAGE Latency NOTES:
64 75%-90 1ms Played fine, two pops toward end, delay in stopping
after hitting STOP.
128 62%-68%/70% 2m Played fine
256 57%/62-63% 5ms " "
384 53%-61%-62% 8ms " "
512 51%-58% 11ms " "
768 50%/55% 17ms " "

Here are some images to back it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/fullpix.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/2800memory.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/everest-test.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_READ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_write.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/frankii/EVEREST_Latency.jpg

Also, for point of reference....
Five Tower Tests

New core by Carillion
35 Idle
56 Play....

Mine
30 Idle
43 Play

The present day macs just don't cut it in terms of power (IBM PowerPC chips) and need water cooling to keep them functional.

peace
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by maintiger:
Originally posted by Morpheo:
Originally posted by maintiger:
i am sure motu was kept in the dark and kicked in the stomach today...
Why would they have been kept in the dark ?
well we certainly were... and I just bought a G5...
And you would be...?
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by maintiger:
Originally posted by Morpheo:
Originally posted by maintiger:
i am sure motu was kept in the dark and kicked in the stomach today...
Why would they have been kept in the dark ?
well we certainly were... and I just bought a G5...
To keep from getting surprised, keep in touch with these websites:
http://www.theinquirer.net/

and here (select motherboards and CPUS)
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/wwwthreads.pl

and one more:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Twinner:
[QB]There are just as many reports out there calling this story complete oobliagah.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/23/why_apple_wont_embrace_intel/

That article is dated May and the announcment was today.
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by emulatorloo:
FYI - Apple Developer site has XCODE dual binaries tools up and ready for download.

Also has Mac Intel transition kit ready for order for upper level developers. Includes a loaner mac intel machine and tools.

http://developer.apple.com/
I got mail from Apple this afternoon...and offer to pick up a Mactel and a dev kit...

I will definitely go for it ;-)

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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by Splinter:
Originally posted by maintiger:
Originally posted by Morpheo:
Why would they have been kept in the dark ?
well we certainly were... and I just bought a G5...
And you would be...?
;)
I would be happily making music in my shiny (well, not really shiny, my G4 was shiny- the g5 has dullish finish) new G5- I just barely reinstalled all my programs and all that...
like I said, maybe motu will come up with DP for PC and the game then will really change...
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Steve Jobs's Keynote at:

http://stream.apple.akadns.net/

Very impressive info on what's already working on Mactel...and the tools in place.

Looks like a DP port should take weeks...using other examples cited by SJ.

Good news overall.

Makes sure you view the video in a very small window to avoid choppy audio and video streams.

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Originally posted by Splinter:
I was just responding to Shooshie freaking out about all the $$$ he said he spent upgrading to OSX. It was a relatively inexpensive upgrade here and I don't know why this would be any different.
I probably spent $20,000 that year on Macs, studio stuff, and software. It's hard to pinpoint how much of that was SPECIFICALLY required for OSX, since I took advantage of the occasion to do a pretty thorough overhaul of my studio. But I would place that figure in excess of $10,000, and possibly as much as $14,000. If that is inexpensive to you, then I congratulate you on your wealth. You are truly fortunate.

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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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Originally posted by mastermix:

Looks like a DP port should take weeks...using other examples cited by SJ.
That would be very nice. But I specifically remember a keynote back about 4 years ago in which he told us that one of the principles at Adobe took home Photoshop over the weekend and recompiled it for OSX in just an evening. That made us all very hopeful.

The reality was MUCH different. Steve Jobs is a genius, and I admire the guy to no end. But the reality is that we all do tend to get sucked into his well-known RDF. (reality distortion field)

Don't worry about me, folks. I've had my moments to rant about the coming process which will inevitably be difficult at times, and more difficult for some of us than for others. But I totally understand this is going to happen whether we rant about it or not, and I'm already getting my mind wrapped around how I'm going to go about it when it happens. But I reserve the right to rant as I please, when I please, at any time in the future as we go through this. And while I hope that the most rosy RDF-influenced predictions are accurate, I also reserve the right to wave a big "don't say I didn't tell you so" when you guys start complaining about all this stuff in a few years. But by then I'll be ready for it, because I already foresaw it and have already begun mapping out my business plan. For those who just hope for the best and fly by the seat of your pants...

Good luck... ;)

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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

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And one more thing...

If MOTU made DP rock-solid for Windows, I'd switch to PC in a flash. I am a Mac person at this point primarily because of Digital Performer. Sure, I love the Mac, and the history I've had with it, but DP is my main software. Everything else is just incidental. I want a rock-solid build of DP and all the peripheral software, plugins, and drivers that go with it. All I want is to make music and not have to deal with computers anymore. I'm happy that we're moving forward; it just took me a few hours to adjust to the fact that I'm going to be spending a lot more money before I get anywhere close to a stable, solid system that isn't being rendered obsolete every few months.

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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

Post by Timeline »

What really bothers me about all of this is when you consider the communication we have all had with MOTU imparting progress on upgrades, feature requests, bug fixes etc., there is literally almost NO communication line.

Are we supposed to just sit here and wait to see if DP has to run in Rosette in the end or will the boys get busy with Binary and then will we know what the f is going on so we can plan?

If there was ever a time to change the customer relations for the positive, this is it!.
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Re: Apple to start using INTEL chip......

Post by dixiechicken »

Well stability doesnt usually come with the cpu-type
or proper hardware.

I ran a Red Hat-8 installation on a PC for 4-years
with NO downtime whatsoever - hosting our
departments website.

*nix distros on wintel works just fine.
However sound and video on said combo has not
exactly been transparent to the end users.

Cheers: Dixiechicken
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