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tripit@earthlink.net wrote:
But what's worse is that we never know what's up. No indication of when or what is coming.
that's really not true...I remember when 4.5 came out, shortly thereafter at a trade show Magic D was showing off 4.6's pitch editing capabilities weeks, maybe even a month or so before 4.6 was offered to DP users FREE of charge!
but who am i to talk, i still use 4.61...i need to spend less money on these damn UA plugs and cough up the upgrade dough...
Hmmm... I still have a G5 with the older PCI slots not the PCIe. I'm waiting for the cards themselves to get cheaper. I would think at some point, UAD will blow out the remaining inventory once more people have migrated to PCIe... at least I HOPE so.
James Steele wrote:Hmmm... I still have a G5 with the older PCI slots not the PCIe. I'm waiting for the cards themselves to get cheaper. I would think at some point, UAD will blow out the remaining inventory once more people have migrated to PCIe... at least I HOPE so.
UA is a great company, but they can be weird about stuff like that...i also have a pci-x machine. But i needed some plugs, dont play with waves anymore, and couldn't wait till i get a mac pro. UA runs great promotions all the time, like last december, when most plugs were 50% off. But yea, the card is pricey, even on ebay they go for 300 sometimes.
James Steele wrote:Did I miss something or was it not that long ago that 5.11 came out? What are you missing exactly? I agree with Gary... some longstanding bugs should be addressed, but I have to say (at the risk of being called a DP "fanboy" yet again) that 5.11 is pretty damned stable, and frankly I'd be scared of any major upgrade. I like 5.11 quite a bit. I think it's the most stable OSX version ever.
Yeah, I realize that the last update was only in Nov. and 5.11 seems to be a lot better than the earlier 5x, but as a DAE user 5.11 is still way off from being what it should. I can live with various small bugs, but I sure wish MOTU would finally catch up with DAE. They use to be right with DAE until PT7 and DP5. That's when they droppedt the ball. I've been waiting ever since just to get full functioning audio back. Everytime an update comes out I'm praying that they address DAE. Just tired of waiting I guess......
tripit@earthlink.net wrote:
But what's worse is that we never know what's up. No indication of when or what is coming.
that's really not true...I remember when 4.5 came out, shortly thereafter at a trade show Magic D was showing off 4.6's pitch editing capabilities weeks, maybe even a month or so before 4.6 was offered to DP users FREE of charge!
but who am i to talk, i still use 4.61...i need to spend less money on these damn UA plugs and cough up the upgrade dough...
well at least they sound good!
That's true, but even having to catch ramdom news of updates at trade shows isn't really letting us know. Every other app that I own, I can get an idea of what they are doing. Altiverb for instance. They were very good about letting us know about verison 6. Even as I wait for the non-accel version, they let me know that it's being worked on and it's coming.
I have no idea if MOTU even plans to fix DAE. I call the tech support and they can't even let me know. Sometimes I get the feeling that they are unaware of the issues. They seem to think that DAE is just fine under DP and it's not. Not even close.
Shooshie wrote:We'd be supremely lucky if 5.11 is an example of a new attitude at MOTU, and all updates from now on will be tested and working, like the old days.
Yes, we would be lucky to reprise the old days. I just don't see that happening though, what with today's manic software race. I think, like everyone else, MOTU feels the heat to release new features too early, then fix it later with updates once everyone's already paid up. 5.11 didn't come from nowhere; it's the culmination of 2 updates following the release of v5. The way I see it, this is the pattern of the present and future.
Agreed. And a tested version is far better than one that's acting like beta. Again, I know MOTU doesn't have the resources of a larger company. I try to remember that and cut them slack. But, if they just forgot about new features for a version or two and really concentrated on fixing what we have, I for one would be very happy. I would rather have a solid full functioning (meaning full DAE use current as PT7 and various bug fixes) at this point than another new feature.
Regarding MOTU and DAE: there may be good reason why this feature has been a little dodgy. Both companies make audio hardware. Both companies have their own audio engines. Neither company has as much to gain from full compliance as certain users who need to use both MAS and DAE in equal measure. The support is there, but it feels more symbolic or obligatory than anything else. There's no predicting if Digidesign and MOTU will ever have reason to get serious about full wack DAE support.
AndyMurdock wrote:I have just about completely given up on DP. After about 6 years as a big fan and every day user, I got bored the day I tried out Ableton Live. I still do my final mixes in DP, but that may change with the next Live release. The days of the linear software tape deck are over.
If I were deciding on my centrepiece software today I'd make the same decision I made years ago based on the same criteria. You describe DP as a linear software tape deck - it is of course so much more than that - but that is pretty much a fair decription of what it was that made DP the one for me. I've been in the music business for 35 years and DP allows me to think like a musician - no other software I've tried allows me to feel like that. I guess it's a case of horses for courses.
Lots of stuff and a recently acquired ability to stop buying
AndyMurdock wrote:>>The days of the linear software tape deck are over.
>>I didn't know this. I'll alert the media.
I guess a little smiley face makes smug sarcasm not so
Okay Andy... sorry about that. Let me just be direct then. I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I think it doesn't make sense to speak in dramatic absolutes and I'm convinced that the virtual tape-deck paradigm is still quite useful and not going anywhere soon. In short, with all due respect, I'm of the opinion that you are very much mistaken, although it makes for a good soundbite.
