Dear Waves...

[Wave]

... I really like your L3 plug in but don't want to pay $400. I'll offer you $200 for it... cash!! LOL

(Sorry... just a wishful thinking moment for me)

I think you would like this a lot more than L3

http://www.pendulumaudio.com/PL2.html

Waves

LOL... yeah... here I was griping about dropping $400 on a plug in... so the logical solution is a $2500 hardware box! No mas dinero!

Yeh, but I am telling you, you'll love it ! It smokes just about any limiter Waves offer; both software and hardware!

Wave

[OldTimey]

The full-blown L3 is a piece of software to be marvelled at. Simply amazing. It's better than any other waves processor I've ever used.

Shooshie

I'd say, yep you are gushing just about now....but really, what is it about the L3 that is so great? I'm just so used to the L-series plugs being used for evil, not good, that I turned my back on it after using the L1 for a little while...

[Shooshie]

The full-blown L3 is a piece of software to be marvelled at. Simply amazing. It's better than any other waves processor I've ever used.

Shooshie

I'd say, yep you are gushing just about now....but really, what is it about the L3 that is so great? I'm just so used to the L-series plugs being used for evil, not good, that I turned my back on it after using the L1 for a little while...

Have you used the L3? It is not like the L2 or L1. You can say what you like about my attitude, but this thing made me break into an involuntary grin and turned me into a believer.

Ignorance is what causes people to misuse the L-series plugins. They crank them because they can. But informed people don't do that except at gunpoint.

The L-3 is a different beast altogether. If you haven't used the full version, you should try it. Also, you should know that it's something that experience makes a lot better. The more you use it, the more you understand HOW to use it -- like the C4 and Linear Phase Multiband processors. But it's none of the above.

I wish I owned the full version; then I could tell you exactly what makes it better. Unfortunately, I have to go on the two-week trial period, during which I only used it on a few mixes, briefly. It was the best processor of any kind that I have ever used.

Gushing? Believe so at your own peril.

Shooshie

[James Steele]

Yeh, but I am telling you, you'll love it ! It smokes just about any limiter Waves offer; both software and hardware!

You may be right... however it's just a little bit of overkill for my one-off demos.

[lwilliam]

The L3 Ultramaximizer (lite) vs the L3 Multimaximizer (full). The "Ultra" kind of looks like the L2, but the "Multi" looks more like the C4 with individual band adjustments possible.

The Ultra comes with the Platinum bundle, but not the Multi. The Ultra has about a dozen presets. It does do a really good job I have to admit. However, I find that using the C4 before the L3 works pretty darn well.

You can buy the Multi for $495 retail.

You should be able to download a demo of the full L3 and use it for 14 days or so.

[James Steele]

The L-3 is a different beast altogether. If you haven't used the full version, you should try it.

I never even got the the point of messing with any of it's finer controls. The "lite" version would probably work great for what I want. All I can tell you is I listened to A LOT of these mastering limiter type plugs and A/B'd them and honestly, L3 somehow remained "cleaner" than the others and kept some detail. I used to really like MaxDUY also... but don't have it since I moved to OSX.

[blue]

I'm using WaveArts Final for now as it was the best I could find in its price range at the time.

I am too. I think it works pretty well.

[mikebeckmotu]

James - I think DUY is having a sale going on that lasts for a few more days (at resellers, too, not just direct. I got the DUY Everpack bundle awhile back, and it's very nice and works well with DP.
Kjaerhus Audio is working on porting their MPL-1 Limiter to OSX, and it's turned some heads.

[James Steele]

James - I think DUY is having a sale going on that lasts for a few more days (at resellers, too, not just direct. I got the DUY Everpack bundle awhile back, and it's very nice and works well with DP.

Yeah... audiomidi.com has it for $225 now... funny thing is I would have bought it, but forgot my log-in password and request a reminder from their site via email and still waiting... ugh...

[oldguitars]

wow, aside from the current issue of a non dp511 compatible (which is a biggeee), i have never had an issue! Yep, they are a little pricey individually , but $1500 for 32 plugs!!! (platinum native) with all the renaissance stuff, L2, L3 (not multi) rverb, linear phase EQ and multi band AND IR-L (plus others). Sounds like a bargain!!! I cannot live without the ren stuff!!! it is too bad that boycotting software companies about there prices doesn't seem to have much impact....

my .02

[James Steele]

...it is too bad that boycotting software companies about there prices doesn't seem to have much impact....

my .02

"Boycotting" is not really applicable. I'm avoiding them. And it's primarily because I'm not doing final mixes in my own studio, nor true mastering, so my only motivation for buying a plug that does what L3 does is so that my demos sound cool to me and close friends who get to hear them. Otherwise, I wouldn't have much of a gripe about it.

On the other hand, WUP, might be a reason to boycott them. But Waves pretty much has people over a barrel because they make good plugs. But price and policies like WUP make customers VERY receptive to viable alternatives if they are presented. It also creates an opportunity for competitors. The market has a way of dealing with these things.

[toodamnhip]

And while we're on the phone, Waves, let me say that I'm a paid-up WUP-er, but I feel as though your plugins have been compromised somewhat for DP version 5.11. I paid you my money so that you could have these updates ready and keep our businesses running smoothly.

When do we get a new version of Waves plugins for DP 5.11? All of them. All working without drawbacks.

Oh, yes... I think your L3 plugin rocks, but I'll continue to use the Lite version, because it's too expensive. Look around at what other high-quality, popular plugins are selling for. You're not the only store in town anymore.

Shooshie

If someone pays WUP and WAVES takes an exorbadent amount of time to come through with an update, they should add time to the WUP' that just effin sat there losing time.

Complain, write the bastards...demand time above 6 months without an update be added to your WUP.

[Frodo]

After reading these posts, what would any of you recommend to someone who doesn't have Waves and is entertaining the notion of getting one of their bundles?

[aizo]

Dear Waves,


I spent a lot of money on the Diamond Bundle and my songs still suck.
Damn.....

[billf]

that's 400 down, down forget the yearly maintenance fee.

over in protools land many have bailed on the l3 in favor of steven massey's great plug in the 2007.

http://www.masseyplugins.com/

besides being a damn nice guy, dave's stuff is A1++ and his prices are lower by far. his equivalent to the l3, which is better then the waves in my opinion, is 89 bucks.

i'm not sure if his prducts are compatible with motu now, but perhaps if enough users asked.

Oh man, if those had an AU version, I would be a customer. But I avoid pro tools more than I avoid Waves.