DP 5.11 not remembering mixing board strips?

[dschmidt]

Hey all-

I'm either not doing something right, or this is a bug:

I hand-select all the tracks that I want to see a strip for in the mixing board, but then often when I go back to view the mixing board, all the strips are turned off except one, and I have to manually re-enable all the tracks that I want mixing board strips for.

What can I do to preven this? One thing: I usually have one main window displayed with tracks on the top frame, and on the lower frame I switch between the mixing board and the sequence view. Could this be the problem? Should I create a dedicated window for the mixing board?

Thanks!
Dave

[dave pine]

there's been about 10 other threads on this, and to date, it still sucks.

[Frodo]

I've still not sorted out when DP returns to the same track selection and when it defaults.

The only thing I can suggest for the Mixer is to save your board layout from the Mixer's mini menu. At least it keeps the mouse clicks to a minimum.

Still, it would be like closing the Tracks Overview, reopening it only to find a whole different project sitting there. Greater consistency of window behavior would be greatly appreciated-- in the meantime, it would be nice to have an explanation for why the windows work the way they do.

There are similar issues with the GE and QS. The GE won't work unless one MIDI track is selected. I've added a single blank MIDI track at the top of my templates so it's always active by default. That way, when I want to do any MIDI editing I'm not forced to select a track I don't want, then select the track I do want, then de-select the track I don't want. Ugh.

Odd thing is that in QS it is actually possible to de-select all tracks!

Maybe some people don't mind the way it works now, but since we've yet to start a DP6 thread, my vote would be to have user definable preferences for what opens in any given window-- and that closing the window does not send it back to its own default.

One other thing I find a little boggling is how the edit windows' track lists bounce around depending upon what is selected. For large projects of 50+ tracks, it can get really hairy when selecting or deselecting tracks at the bottom of the window only to have the list pop up to the top of the list, forcing a scroll down each time. Enlarging the window helps, but it shouldn't be necessary.

[monkey man]

in the meantime, it would be nice to have an explanation for why the windows work the way they do.

We need contextual understanding on this one.

That way, when I want to do any MIDI editing I'm not forced to select a track I don't want, then select the track I do want, then de-select the track I don't want. Ugh.

I concur.
What about when you want to change the designated "master" or track or whatever it's called, to view its CC data?
I find it quite distracting and vibe-destroying to have to remember the colour-pattern representing the selected tracks so I can deselect them all, select the new master and re-select the "set".
Perhaps "layout" sets a-la the mixer strip could do the trick?
Of course, a key-command that allows us to toggle through the selected tracks, enabling them as masters in-turn would be the bees knees, for me at least.
Come to think of it, it's so logical DP's probably already got it, and I'm just a punk with toilet-water behind my ears.
OK, so the punk thing's true regardless.

Odd thing is that in QS it is actually possible to de-select all tracks!

Me wanna understand da foolosofy too Froggy.
Den we's mekin' da muzik en no maw scrachie-scrachie.

Maybe some people don't mind the way it works now, but since we've yet to start a DP6 thread, my vote would be to have user definable preferences for what opens in any given window-- and that closing the window does not send it back to its own default.

Works for me.
I can't help but feel we're missing something here.
I wonder what MOTU recommends.
There's always the chance a DP-vet may have solution or work-around.

Thanks for the "one empty track" tip, Fwoggy.

One other thing I find a little boggling is how the edit windows' track lists bounce around depending upon what is selected. For large projects of 50+ tracks, it can get really hairy when selecting or deselecting tracks at the bottom of the window only to have the list pop up to the top of the list, forcing a scroll down each time. Enlarging the window helps, but it shouldn't be necessary.

I realise this is getting repetitious, but this has/will become more of an issue for me too, now that I'll be mixing ITB.
Keeping everything in folders, with all or most shut other than the one being worked on kinda helps, for me at least.

A DP 5.2 thread might be a start.
I wouldn't want to give MOTU the idea we like this "X.0, X.01, X.1, X.11 then on to the next integer" thing.
It provides a false sense of achievement and progress on the part of the authors, IMHO.
Cheap advertising perhaps. I want to believe MOTU's above that.
I believe MOTU's above that.

Respect, Fwody.

[Tim]

Maybe some people don't mind the way it works now, but since we've yet to start a DP6 thread, my vote would be to have user definable preferences for what opens in any given window-- and that closing the window does not send it back to its own default.

Maybe some user definable Selection Group presets (A, B, C, D, E buttons) at the top of the edit/mix windows would be handy.

[Frodo]

Maybe some people don't mind the way it works now, but since we've yet to start a DP6 thread, my vote would be to have user definable preferences for what opens in any given window-- and that closing the window does not send it back to its own default.

Maybe some user definable Selection Group presets (A, B, C, D, E buttons) at the top of the edit/mix windows would be handy.

There's the quiet Timster! Good idea-- ABCD. Hmm.

Still, I'm always bumping my head to sort out certain little things DP does as-is to determine what I'm missing. I do hate ganging up on the app because it has served me well.

Now that we're in the era of DP stability, or so it seems, I find myself often wishing I could click or press "that" instead of clicking "that, that, that, this, and then that" at times. I mention it at the risk of forgetting how many more steps it takes in Logic to do the same things.

I love DP's key command window! If only more of its features had been included so that they could be user defined.

APPLE + ZERO works fine for opening the quantize window and I see no need to change it. But to get to the sub menus of the Region edits is still a game of "cat and mouse" or "click and mouse"

Oh, well. You gotta take the good along with the not-so-bad.

Me wanna understand da foolosofy too Froggy.
Den we's mekin' da muzik en no maw scrachie-scrachie.

Thanks for the chuckle, Nicky! I really needed that today!!

I would like to know more about what MOTU recommends. Dunno what to do...

One of my favorite local vendors occasionally has a MOTU rep in the store. I'd love to pick his brain for about 20 minutes at a computer with DP running to see what he might have to say about why some features are active in some windows but not in others when they'd really come in handy.

It's not so much to complain, but to strive to make DP a more seemless extension of the workflow process. For me, it's already ahead of the game in this area from other apps I've used, but it stops short in places.

That scrachie-scrachie for me always results in asking why a certain feature is unnecessary in one window while proving to be a cornerstone feature in another.

Ah, well. Were it not for questions such as these we'd have little or no reason to rendezvous on this forum. 99% of the fun of visiting this place is the people-- and I appreciate so much the quantity of info I'm still learning after all this time.

That attitude of gratitude is kicking in once more!

[remainanon]

I do find that, once closed, the mix window will open with whatever tracks are selected in TO. This is like the Shift-T function - which opens the TO window for whatever chunk is selected.

Makes way more sense for the mix window. I think you rarely need to have a key command open the TO window for a sequence that's not current - and if you need to see that you can simply double-click the sequence name in Chunks.

Anyway, if you want the mix window to stay consistent you can just leave it open. The changes occur when you close and re-open the window.

In fact, it's quite handy if you want to quickly expose faders for tracks you're editing in TO. I have a QuicKey that essentially goes: Shift-M, Command-W, Shift M. That forces the mix window to re-open with only the selected tracks in TO visible.

If I recall correctly QS works the same way. If you set up those key sequences for "refreshing" the windows it's a very handy way to get a look at the TO-selected tracks in QS or Mix.

If only SE worked that way I'd love it. OTOH, I've been using SE in the consolidated window (and not mix) so its behavior is different anyway.

JW

[Frodo]

One thing I've discovered is that accessing certain edit windows from the Transport Icons tends to be more predictable as well.

I need to dink around with this a little more, but...

It's in Consoldated Windows where a second window tends to opt for a default display. Problem is, if I click on the TO track frame just above the TO window itself (and not on another Consolidate Window frame) it works akin to the Transport Icons.... but I lose my TO window view.

[Tim]

I have a QuicKey that essentially goes: Shift-M, Command-W, Shift M. That forces the mix window to re-open with only the selected tracks in TO visible.

I'm always doing that one manually.
I'm pretty quick at it too.
I've gotta get QuicKeys again (haven't had it since OS9).

[James Steele]

I hand-select all the tracks that I want to see a strip for in the mixing board, but then often when I go back to view the mixing board, all the strips are turned off except one, and I have to manually re-enable all the tracks that I want mixing board strips for.

Hey Dave... what I found suffering through this same thing is that if I have done any work in another window and somehow highlihted/selected a track in the tracks overview... recalling my screen set with the mixing board will only show the one track selected.

I don't know if it's viable, but on recalling a screen set you could get in the habit of hitting command-D ("Deselect All") prior to opening the mixer and it should have the tracks that were open when the mixing board was last closed.

[James Steele]

Anyway, if you want the mix window to stay consistent you can just leave it open. The changes occur when you close and re-open the window.

Right... It think if you just Command + D and Deselect All prior you'll be okay. That's my work around for now I guess.

[tommymandel]

Thanks, James. Works like a charm.

[dschmidt]

Whoa...glad to see I wasn't just being a doofus on this one...thanks for the workaround tips!

[monkey man]

Whoa...glad to see I wasn't just being a doofus on this one...thanks for the workaround tips!

We's gettin' pwetty good at polishing turds, methinks.
The fact that MOTU gives us pristine steamers as raw material's just a bonus.