Well said Sooshie, sculpting is a new musical art form.
But in my own process, playing music for someone, single person or 1000 crowd, without any recorded material is still my inspiration source. I should say inspiration force. I feel this situation like sort of magical one.
Even while recording, this leads my work when slicing.
But I welcome any other way.
The Loudness Wars
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OK, who's making jokes? Fess up. The humor is getting out of hand now. We'll have none of that here.James Steele wrote:Let's ease up on the sex joke/humor on the board, okay? Thanks.
Seriously James, go over to the REP board and read a little. The people contributing here at the 'Nation are choir boys and well-behaved young gentlemen by comparison.
I apologize on behalf of all the trash-mouths.
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As to Shooshies point about music & sculpting: I've been using that metaphor for the film-editing seminars I'd done in past years. The non-linear nature of film and music cutting on NLEs and DAWs allows us the power to sculpt a little, stand back and look at it, and then sculpt some more. And then as they say, "You don't finish art... you simply abandon it." But then, having DP in my back room means I never have to "abandon" any project. I can twiddle for years (and I do!).
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Good. As administrator that's the way I like this board. Please keep in mind we have not just us older folks, but some minors on this board. We also have some ladies on here, so we're not just all in the men's locker room at the gym.Jim wrote:Seriously James, go over to the REP board and read a little. The people contributing here at the 'Nation are choir boys and well-behaved young gentlemen by comparison.
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but I would like to UnicorNation to continue to be tame in comparison and don't want that chipped away at a little bit at a time. Thanks.
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Wow! What a great thread. While I have seen all these points argued in different forums, I could never have imagined them existing in a single forum let alone all sharing a single, subject heading. I also must say that I've never seen these points discussed in such a civil manner. Therefore, I have to agree with Jim when he says:
Loudness wars huh!? Yes, perhaps that's appropriate. It is in many ways the "loudness" of our current society that has wrought much of this "noise" upon us. So many people live and die by the "in your face-ness" that they think marks them as ambitous and has replaced the "unum" that we really need and crave. I suppose it's the chimp in our DNA that urges us to throw feces and hurt others for short-sighted, selfish and ultimately self-defeating ends. (No offense intended Monkey. Besides, from your intellect, I must assume that you are one of the noble simians.)
I also think James is onto something. I too remember the first time I heard a song from my band on the radio. The difference is I remember thinking how much better our song sounded on the radio! The difference was night and day. The track sounded punchy and big. It was only much, much later that I learned about compression and other radio tricks used to make one station louder than the next station. However, for those who knew the system, it must have seemed like an obvious "cheat".
Of course, fast-foward almost thirty years and this technique has gone from subtle to over the top. It's hard enough to write music without taking away all dynamics. It's no wonder that so many kids seem to be growing up learning to ignore music. It seems made to ignore these days. There are no surprises. Therefore, kids still want music. But not so much that they are willing to pay for it. So what remains is omni-present and, yet, homoginized so as not to call too much attention to itself.
Ah, amplifiers and gain. Yes, Mesa-Boogie deserves a lot of the blame for pushing the gain thing to the ridiculous extremes. The first time I heard a Dual-Recto I just laughed. This kid was flailing around in a music store at a level just above a whisper and the amp sounded like any number of really, really bad fuzz tones from around 1972. Lord, I remember my HiWatt head. You had to crank it and then hit it pretty hard, but when you got it there . . . what a glorius tone. It sounded big and bold and full of life and danger and big, sharp teeth.
Pete Townshend was once quoted as (and I'm paraphrasing like mad here) saying that the excitement of an over-driven guitar amp was the fight of pushing them into distortion. An amp that has been pushed completely over into total saturation is no longer fighting. It's lost. It's just lying down and there is no excitement in that.
Quality and music . . . erm . . . I'm not sure I want to go there. There are, however, some places where all music (not just secular music) is illegal. Which in and of itself demonstrates the power of music vividly. Anything that is feared to that extent must have serious power. Zappa's "Joe's Garage" is a nice take on this idea.
Wow, I've got to get back to work.
Wayne
True. Quite true.The people contributing here at the 'Nation are choir boys and well-behaved young gentlemen by comparison.
Loudness wars huh!? Yes, perhaps that's appropriate. It is in many ways the "loudness" of our current society that has wrought much of this "noise" upon us. So many people live and die by the "in your face-ness" that they think marks them as ambitous and has replaced the "unum" that we really need and crave. I suppose it's the chimp in our DNA that urges us to throw feces and hurt others for short-sighted, selfish and ultimately self-defeating ends. (No offense intended Monkey. Besides, from your intellect, I must assume that you are one of the noble simians.)
I also think James is onto something. I too remember the first time I heard a song from my band on the radio. The difference is I remember thinking how much better our song sounded on the radio! The difference was night and day. The track sounded punchy and big. It was only much, much later that I learned about compression and other radio tricks used to make one station louder than the next station. However, for those who knew the system, it must have seemed like an obvious "cheat".
Of course, fast-foward almost thirty years and this technique has gone from subtle to over the top. It's hard enough to write music without taking away all dynamics. It's no wonder that so many kids seem to be growing up learning to ignore music. It seems made to ignore these days. There are no surprises. Therefore, kids still want music. But not so much that they are willing to pay for it. So what remains is omni-present and, yet, homoginized so as not to call too much attention to itself.
Ah, amplifiers and gain. Yes, Mesa-Boogie deserves a lot of the blame for pushing the gain thing to the ridiculous extremes. The first time I heard a Dual-Recto I just laughed. This kid was flailing around in a music store at a level just above a whisper and the amp sounded like any number of really, really bad fuzz tones from around 1972. Lord, I remember my HiWatt head. You had to crank it and then hit it pretty hard, but when you got it there . . . what a glorius tone. It sounded big and bold and full of life and danger and big, sharp teeth.
Pete Townshend was once quoted as (and I'm paraphrasing like mad here) saying that the excitement of an over-driven guitar amp was the fight of pushing them into distortion. An amp that has been pushed completely over into total saturation is no longer fighting. It's lost. It's just lying down and there is no excitement in that.
Quality and music . . . erm . . . I'm not sure I want to go there. There are, however, some places where all music (not just secular music) is illegal. Which in and of itself demonstrates the power of music vividly. Anything that is feared to that extent must have serious power. Zappa's "Joe's Garage" is a nice take on this idea.
Wow, I've got to get back to work.
Wayne
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