apple loops

[brett]

Just started using apple loops in DP. They import and when dragged to a track lock up on the beat. Is it actually creating a new file on the disk. Itlooks like it is. This a major problem.

In colaborating with others via the net in logic, if your sounds drive are the same , all you do is e-mail the sequence and it will play back the same on any of the cloned systems. This allows composers to work remotley, upload their sequence, and they can all be bounced down on one machine in the studio. In logic the loops are unchanged and stay in their respective folder with no converting or duplication of the file.

Is it creating just a new sound bite IE: a region, or is it creating an entiurely new file that is copied over to the audio folder for that project? Is there a way to keep it from doing that and still use tempo based sliced loops?

[zedboy]

It creates a new soundfile in SD2 format. Also, it has to split them into 2 mono files which are locked together. I don't believe there's any way of avoiding this.

[emulatorloo]

Is it actually creating a new file on the disk. Itlooks like it is. This a major problem.

In colaborating with others via the net in logic, if your sounds drive are the same , all you do is e-mail the sequence and it will play back the same on any of the cloned systems.

I am guessing that Apple is pretty proprietary about the Apple Loop technology. I cannot think of any program off the top of my head that can use them intact in the way you describe other than GarageBand, Soundtrack Pro, or Logic Express and Pro.

Maybe I am missing something.

Maybe at some point MOTU may be able to 'reverse engineer' something.

But today, at any rate, maybe your best bet is to work in Logic if you need to collaborate w other Logic users. Not an exciting prospect, I know . . .

[chrispick]

But today, at any rate, maybe your best bet is to work in Logic if you need to collaborate w other Logic users. Not an exciting prospect, I know . . .

Well, it's as exciting as collaborating with Apple Loops.

[DP Fan]

Just started using apple loops in DP. They import and when dragged to a track lock up on the beat. Is it actually creating a new file on the disk. Itlooks like it is. This a major problem.

In colaborating with others via the net in logic, if your sounds drive are the same , all you do is e-mail the sequence and it will play back the same on any of the cloned systems. This allows composers to work remotley, upload their sequence, and they can all be bounced down on one machine in the studio. In logic the loops are unchanged and stay in their respective folder with no converting or duplication of the file.

Is it creating just a new sound bite IE: a region, or is it creating an entiurely new file that is copied over to the audio folder for that project? Is there a way to keep it from doing that and still use tempo based sliced loops?

Try taking off "Automatic Conversion" in the DP Preferences. There's a shortcut to toggle this in the Title Bar of the Consolidated Window (looks like a lightning bolt).

This will prevent it from creating a new file and reference the old one...but I'm not sure if you will retain the sliced information (don't think so) or if it will work after transferred remotely, etc., but it's worth a shot.

If you're working remotely/online, you could just limit yourself (alway fun) to a set group of sounds...free VI's and the DP5 modules.

You'll run into problems anyway, because eventually someone will want to record a vocal track/guitar track, etc., and that will be unique to their project/stored in the Audio Files folder/increase the size of the Project Folder/make uploading and downloading cumbersome.

And if you're uploading/downloading files, note that the extension for DP is .prf. Sometimes the file type will get lost in transfer, especially if someone forgets to archive it.

Best,
DP Fan

[ng62gn]

Hi,

You could use USB Plugsound Pro VI & sampler to play Apple Loops in DP and to have realtime sync to the beat.

[brett]

Hi,

You could use USB Plugsound Pro VI & sampler to play Apple Loops in DP and to have realtime sync to the beat.

Some extra hit on the cpu, but that would work.

[brett]

But today, at any rate, maybe your best bet is to work in Logic if you need to collaborate w other Logic users. Not an exciting prospect, I know . . .

Well, it's as exciting as collaborating with Apple Loops.

may not be excited for you, but loops are an esential part of todays film music, and music in general. They provide textures for well written sequences.

[emulatorloo]

may not be excited for you, but loops are an esential part of todays film music, and music in general. They provide textures for well written sequences.

Oh, dunno, something tells me that chrispick does alright w/o Apple Loops . . .

At anyrate, good luck w your collaborations -- hope you get it all sorted out.

[brett]

may not be excited for you, but loops are an esential part of todays film music, and music in general. They provide textures for well written sequences.

Oh, dunno, something tells me that chrispick does alright w/o Apple Loops . . .

At anyrate, good luck w your collaborations -- hope you get it all sorted out.

... any movie with electronic music fused with the orch will have a lot of loops in it.

Not sure who Crhis Pick is, and excuse my ignorance, but he doens't come up on IMDB either. But knowing the workflow of Hanz, Harry Gregson Williams and Klaus Badelt, I would say the film industry is using quite a few loops and more than one compoer to make the music to a flm. It isn't uncommon to have up to 5 composers working at the studio and remotely to get the music done on time. And yes loops are used extensively for rythmic and atmospheric stuff.

[brett]

may not be excited for you, but loops are an esential part of todays film music, and music in general. They provide textures for well written sequences.

Oh, dunno, something tells me that chrispick does alright w/o Apple Loops . . .

At anyrate, good luck w your collaborations -- hope you get it all sorted out.

... any movie with electronic music fused with the orch will have a lot of loops in it.

Not sure who Crhis Pick is, and excuse my ignorance, but he doens't come up on IMDB either. But knowing the workflow of some prominant composers, I would say the film industry is using quite a few loops and more than one compoer to make the music to a flm. It isn't uncommon to have up to 5 composers working at the studio and remotely to get the music done on time. And yes loops are used extensively for rythmic and atmospheric stuff.

[brett]

may not be excited for you, but loops are an esential part of todays film music, and music in general. They provide textures for well written sequences.

Oh, dunno, something tells me that chrispick does alright w/o Apple Loops . . .

At anyrate, good luck w your collaborations -- hope you get it all sorted out.

... any movie with electronic music fused with the orch will have a lot of loops in it.

Not sure who Crhis Pick is, and excuse my ignorance, but he doens't come up on IMDB either. But knowing the workflow of some prominant composers, I would say the film industry is using quite a few loops and more than one compoer to make the music to a flm. It isn't uncommon to have up to 5 composers working at the studio and remotely to get the music done on time. And yes loops are used extensively for rythmic and atmospheric stuff.

[emulatorloo]

I would say the film industry is using quite a few loops <snip> And yes loops are used extensively for rythmic and atmospheric stuff.

Certainly! -- but "loops" is not synonymous w Apple Loops!

Again hope you get it all sorted out . . . best of luck.

[chrispick]

Geez.

All I said was that collaborating with Apple Loops would be unexciting. And it just a passing joke. I need to post a resume to qualify myself?

By the way, there's a link to my music services included in every post I make. Check my signature below. You'll see that I'm neither big time nor small time as a composer guy. Just a dude working.

I have worked on films as a 3D animator though. Hellboy, The Cat in the Hat, a few others. Does that, er, validate me?

[brett]

Geez.

All I said was that collaborating with Apple Loops would be unexciting. And it just a passing joke. I need to post a resume to qualify myself?

By the way, there's a link to my music services included in every post I make. Check my signature below. You'll see that I'm neither big time nor small time as a composer guy. Just a dude working.

I have worked on films as a 3D animator though. Hellboy, The Cat in the Hat, a few others. Does that, er, validate me?

Sorry Chris, no disrespect, but emulatorloo made a statement that you do alright without them. It's just, you don't seem to be, or fit into the catagory of music composition I was refering to. So, I don't beleive you are good example to use. Most people and producers do get by fine without loops or apple loops. In working with a prominant composer I found there is a certian work flow that has emerged and DP doesn't seem to meet those needs because of the way it handles time sliced loops, and, not just apple loops. Apple loops is just the easiest way to work with them in Logic because of the apple loop browser. So, all of my loop library, about 30 gigs, is already formated to apple loops as well as Ableton Live. I don't want the host to change them or move them...just play them synced. Logic does that!

It is a shame becuase DP 4.61 and 5, have some nice features that I really liked. It was worth looking at since I already had a license for 4.5. Doesn't seem like it will work for me though.

And, I like Hellboy!! Very cool stuff!