I'd like to convert from using a Roland 760 sampler to Machfive..
Not sure if that's an easy transition so I'm asking you experts.
Each song has its own Roland performance for all samples. Each song I
do has a patch change associated with it. Will Mach5 work that same
way, where I can send a patch change and get a new performance?
Would prefer to have it all preloaded so no hard disk access.
Ideally I'd like to not change anything in the sequencer and have Mach5 act just like an s760 does.
Secondary question: I only want to use laptop as a sampler playback machine, so what's is the smallest workable windows host app?
I assume Machfive will allow six channels of output if my card has
that, yes?
Anythign else I need know to replace sampler with a laptop? A lot to buy to find out something isn't workable...
Roland 760 sampler to Machfive??
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I only have an S-760, not Machfive. But I think there should be more sounds available in the Machfive since you should be able to store the Roland sounds on your harddisk.
I think the Machfive will act as itself, which I would prefer. That way you only have to learn one sampler instead of one for each kind of format you're using. Isn't it called Universal Sampler? I.E a sampler in which you can load almost any sound.
I think the Machfive will act as itself, which I would prefer. That way you only have to learn one sampler instead of one for each kind of format you're using. Isn't it called Universal Sampler? I.E a sampler in which you can load almost any sound.
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Someone here has converted some samples from Roland format to M5. Depending on how complex the keymapping is, it could be successful or it could be troublesome.
Yes, you can run M5 in standalone mode without a host app.
Yes, you can setup M5 to match your S-760 patch setups.
Six outs should be no problem.
Your biggest concern might be MIDI latency, but that will take some experimentation. The Roland samples ought not be so complex that the will create too much lag time, I don't think.
Yes, you can run M5 in standalone mode without a host app.
Yes, you can setup M5 to match your S-760 patch setups.
Six outs should be no problem.
Your biggest concern might be MIDI latency, but that will take some experimentation. The Roland samples ought not be so complex that the will create too much lag time, I don't think.
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Thanks, how about that patch change stuff? Can I basically load 10 roland perfromances an switch between with a program change command?Frodo wrote:Someone here has converted some samples from Roland format to M5. Depending on how complex the keymapping is, it could be successful or it could be troublesome.
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10 Roland Performances? Hmmm...
The easiest way to do that is to have 10 instances of MachFive running with one Roland Performance in each one. So, your first MachFive instance holding your first Roland Performance would look like this in DP's Tracks Overview:
Mach Five 1-1, 1-2, 1-3,... 1-16
Your 10th instance would look like this:
Mach Five 10-1, 10-2, 1-3,... 10-16
Each Mach Five Performance includes 16 MIDI channels just like the 760. However, Mach Five v2 claims to have unlimited MIDI channels (if I recall the specs sheet from another thread), so theoretically you will be able to load all of your Roland setups in one single instance....
___Provided MachFive v2 ever ships!
A full load of 760 is 32MB-- not a lot, but 10 times that amount means that you'll use about half a GB: 320MB plus wiggle room. That's the coolest thing about this sort of setup-- the older sample libraries are so much easier on system resources. Just keep an eye on other plugins and VIs you want to run and plan your RAM usage accordingly.
PS-- patch change shouldn't even be needed. You just set up one MIDI channel/track for each instrument.
The easiest way to do that is to have 10 instances of MachFive running with one Roland Performance in each one. So, your first MachFive instance holding your first Roland Performance would look like this in DP's Tracks Overview:
Mach Five 1-1, 1-2, 1-3,... 1-16
Your 10th instance would look like this:
Mach Five 10-1, 10-2, 1-3,... 10-16
Each Mach Five Performance includes 16 MIDI channels just like the 760. However, Mach Five v2 claims to have unlimited MIDI channels (if I recall the specs sheet from another thread), so theoretically you will be able to load all of your Roland setups in one single instance....
___Provided MachFive v2 ever ships!
A full load of 760 is 32MB-- not a lot, but 10 times that amount means that you'll use about half a GB: 320MB plus wiggle room. That's the coolest thing about this sort of setup-- the older sample libraries are so much easier on system resources. Just keep an eye on other plugins and VIs you want to run and plan your RAM usage accordingly.
PS-- patch change shouldn't even be needed. You just set up one MIDI channel/track for each instrument.
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I think you're pretty much good to go. For what you want to do, which only you can determine, it seems that DP and MachFive can be set up anyway you want. What I've described actually sounds a lot more complex than what you want to do.drb wrote:I'd much rather have *one* instance with 10 performances loaded. Each performance in the 760 is for a different song, so I can load a song with patch changes in it, and the sample set gets selected.
Just set up your MachFive config as you like, then save the present. It will contain all patches for all Performance configs you create. Your custom present will be saved with the project, so you only have to set it up and load it once. You can do that for each of your 10 projects.
If you wanted to do patch changing you could, but the beauty is that you wouldn't *have* to unless you wanted to or needed to.
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I'm not entirely sure any more what you're looking for, but if you want, I'll transfer some 760 samples into MachFive, match the performance settings of the 760 in MachFive, do some patch changes to different performances to match those of my 760 settings and then post a full how-to here if that would help.drb wrote:Ah, but I'm not using DP so want to set it up *only* as I described..
Still dont quite see if Mach5 will work this way. Anyone?
Problem is, if you don't have access to DP and MachFive, little of my report will make any sense.
But before this goes further, what is it that you don't understand? Once your samples are transferred and your performance settings are created, you can save the any preset configuration you want.
You may still want to have at least two instances of MachFive loadedd only because it takes time to load new samples which could be a problem if the new samples are needed before they can load--- but maybe I'm the one who doesn't understand and should probably let someone else chime in.
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In the s760, Ioad up 10 "performances." these are whole setups for a song with a patch for ch 1, chan 2, chan 3 and a patch for ch10 (drums).
then, to change songs, i just send a patch change, and it switches to another ones of these, already loaded in, for the next song to have a diff drum set etc.
make sense?
then, to change songs, i just send a patch change, and it switches to another ones of these, already loaded in, for the next song to have a diff drum set etc.
make sense?
OK. It does make sense.
I think it can work. I really do.
The only thing to consider is how fast you will need the new performances to load if it's in the middle of a song. If you need patch changes *within* a performance to load in the middle of the song, you will have to test out the load time to see if will work.
But the only way you can have all 10 performances with all the patches loaded at once is to actually load them in as many instances of MachFive that it will require.
The only other thing I've not tested yet is whether changing patches on one MIDI channel of MachFive will cause all channels in that one instance of MachFive to go mute until the new patch is loaded. That could be a problem.
However, if you have enough RAM to hold 10 performances of 760 sounds, then MachFive itself doesn't eat up much RAM at all. Having 10 instances of MachFive won't be a problem-- but I know that this may not be *how* you want it to work.
I just don't think there's any other way to have all 10 performances loaded without actually loading them all at once with several instances of any software sampler.
But, if you are not changing performances during the song you will be able to set MachFive up to work just like the 760.
I think it can work. I really do.
The only thing to consider is how fast you will need the new performances to load if it's in the middle of a song. If you need patch changes *within* a performance to load in the middle of the song, you will have to test out the load time to see if will work.
But the only way you can have all 10 performances with all the patches loaded at once is to actually load them in as many instances of MachFive that it will require.
The only other thing I've not tested yet is whether changing patches on one MIDI channel of MachFive will cause all channels in that one instance of MachFive to go mute until the new patch is loaded. That could be a problem.
However, if you have enough RAM to hold 10 performances of 760 sounds, then MachFive itself doesn't eat up much RAM at all. Having 10 instances of MachFive won't be a problem-- but I know that this may not be *how* you want it to work.
I just don't think there's any other way to have all 10 performances loaded without actually loading them all at once with several instances of any software sampler.
But, if you are not changing performances during the song you will be able to set MachFive up to work just like the 760.
6,1 MacPro, 96GB RAM, macOS Monterey 12.7.6, DP 11.33