Current proposals in French legislature could likely require music download services to release details of their software technology. Potential fallout could mean that music download services wanting to distribute in France may be forced to discontinue in that country.
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iTunes forced out of France?
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iTunes forced out of France?
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Hmmm... sounds like France's loss really. Fine... let Microsoft have France. Apple iTunes can have the rest of the world. I don't see what they will hope to accomplish by that. 
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I'm not sure MS will be so willing to reveal its code, either.
Something is afoot in France-- If there have been riots due to laws allowing business to fire those under the age of 26 without reason, wait until these same people find their ways home only to find that their mp3's have been rendered illegal!!
If this doesn't open the floodgates to hacking and piracy, I don't know what will. It's always the consumer that pays.
Something is afoot in France-- If there have been riots due to laws allowing business to fire those under the age of 26 without reason, wait until these same people find their ways home only to find that their mp3's have been rendered illegal!!
If this doesn't open the floodgates to hacking and piracy, I don't know what will. It's always the consumer that pays.
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Well I thinks it's a good thing to campaign against DRM. I'm french, and I'm a supporter of free(libre)music. What the original bill wanted to do is to bring an incompatibility between free software, free music and DRMs.
We want to make our music available to all, and to have the freedom to do so.
Which means that all artists broadcasting their music under free licenses like creative commons, could have been illegal.
Not to forget that Universal who is really powerful in France, have been lobying and manipulating the french government to serve their interest.
As for Apple and their proprietary DRMs, it is a complete rip-off. Whenever I buy mp3s, I try to make sure they are DRM free, so I can play on my chosen device. This is not the case with tracks bought on the apple store.
We want to make our music available to all, and to have the freedom to do so.
Which means that all artists broadcasting their music under free licenses like creative commons, could have been illegal.
Not to forget that Universal who is really powerful in France, have been lobying and manipulating the french government to serve their interest.
As for Apple and their proprietary DRMs, it is a complete rip-off. Whenever I buy mp3s, I try to make sure they are DRM free, so I can play on my chosen device. This is not the case with tracks bought on the apple store.
Hi Edised
i agree!
i'm french too, and all i can see is that the major companies have killed the music business.
first the will to produce low cost music releases on digital CD was just the begining of the end. Musically CD sucks!
secondly they totaly "spammed" the market with uninteresting artists who have nothing to say artisticaly- music is now a mass consumer product as the foos or clothes...
third, thoses lobbies are extremely powerfull, and now everyone is used to dl mp3 legaly or not, they just put pressure under the government to raise up that DRM taxes to compensate!
if you look at that as independent musician in independent label it's really fascism! Even if you want to release your music under creative common as digital dl, you'll have to pay lots of DRM (and it's important to know the the organisation which cares of the DRM is the same as the main copyright organisation SACEM in France)!
All I can say about that is: don't support those democratur like governments, don't buy any major label artist! Don't buy on iTunes shop!
If we, musicians and independent labels worldwide, are artists we should fight for free experssion of our art, and it doesn't mean that we have to give our productions for free!
just think to another way to "consume" music!
Anyway everyone is concerned by this problem should think about it in other terms that used before the digital era!
peace
i agree!
i'm french too, and all i can see is that the major companies have killed the music business.
first the will to produce low cost music releases on digital CD was just the begining of the end. Musically CD sucks!
secondly they totaly "spammed" the market with uninteresting artists who have nothing to say artisticaly- music is now a mass consumer product as the foos or clothes...
third, thoses lobbies are extremely powerfull, and now everyone is used to dl mp3 legaly or not, they just put pressure under the government to raise up that DRM taxes to compensate!
if you look at that as independent musician in independent label it's really fascism! Even if you want to release your music under creative common as digital dl, you'll have to pay lots of DRM (and it's important to know the the organisation which cares of the DRM is the same as the main copyright organisation SACEM in France)!
All I can say about that is: don't support those democratur like governments, don't buy any major label artist! Don't buy on iTunes shop!
If we, musicians and independent labels worldwide, are artists we should fight for free experssion of our art, and it doesn't mean that we have to give our productions for free!
just think to another way to "consume" music!
Anyway everyone is concerned by this problem should think about it in other terms that used before the digital era!
peace
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Well first there's a few points which are not great about the French version of Itunes. i.e. if you want to find any specific american artist or Canadian artist, you can't as the programm is not the same as on the US itunes version. This sucks big time, so I don't know if Apple did that thing right.
Second, I see a problem with the fact that everybody wants to see the major lables die! so what? and what is the alternative? all I can say is that by the time the majors had enough money to support a lot more artists in their catalogues there also used to be more work for session musicians and this all over the world, talk to an old session guy from Nashville and ask him how many sessions he could get in th 70s and how many he can get today, and most important: in terms of salaries, Union scale was respected this seems to be less and less the case in some major US cities.
Third, it seems that here in Europe the alternative to the majors are.. TV channels, CellPhone companies, is this going to be the better alternative to publish or distribute music?
Last but not least, the mac, the computer & internet makes all our lifes easier. My question is: since it is now easy for everybody to have a recording set-up at home: is there more great music published ? are there more great CDs coming to the market?I seriously doubt it.
All I want to say is: the discussion about majors, itunes and such is all fine. But if you make your living with music then the situation has gotten worse, I don't know whose fault this is.
Second, I see a problem with the fact that everybody wants to see the major lables die! so what? and what is the alternative? all I can say is that by the time the majors had enough money to support a lot more artists in their catalogues there also used to be more work for session musicians and this all over the world, talk to an old session guy from Nashville and ask him how many sessions he could get in th 70s and how many he can get today, and most important: in terms of salaries, Union scale was respected this seems to be less and less the case in some major US cities.
Third, it seems that here in Europe the alternative to the majors are.. TV channels, CellPhone companies, is this going to be the better alternative to publish or distribute music?
Last but not least, the mac, the computer & internet makes all our lifes easier. My question is: since it is now easy for everybody to have a recording set-up at home: is there more great music published ? are there more great CDs coming to the market?I seriously doubt it.
All I want to say is: the discussion about majors, itunes and such is all fine. But if you make your living with music then the situation has gotten worse, I don't know whose fault this is.
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Just a few thoughts......
The proposed legislation applies to everyone, including Microsoft, so it is not just an Apple thing.
If you are a musician and you want to make a living being a musician, you should be supportive of Digital Rights Management so that your music cannot be ripped and spewed all over the internet for free (you can't make a living giving away your music).
Apple is a business, not a charity. They have the best selling MP3 player in the world, and if they choose to lock the content on their store to their player, then they have a right to do so. If you don't want to use an iPod, then there are plenty of other stores to buy downloads from. That's why I don't buy the "breaking up the monopoly" thing. People are free to choose whatever MP3 player they want. If they choose to buy an iPod and use the iTunes music store, that is their choice and they accept the rules that go along with it.
If MS made a succesful MP3 player, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing.
From my understanding of it, the legislation is ludicrous. It is not much different than forcing a company to open up their source code for patent-protected products and allowing anyone to develop copies of a proprietary product.
The proposed legislation applies to everyone, including Microsoft, so it is not just an Apple thing.
If you are a musician and you want to make a living being a musician, you should be supportive of Digital Rights Management so that your music cannot be ripped and spewed all over the internet for free (you can't make a living giving away your music).
Apple is a business, not a charity. They have the best selling MP3 player in the world, and if they choose to lock the content on their store to their player, then they have a right to do so. If you don't want to use an iPod, then there are plenty of other stores to buy downloads from. That's why I don't buy the "breaking up the monopoly" thing. People are free to choose whatever MP3 player they want. If they choose to buy an iPod and use the iTunes music store, that is their choice and they accept the rules that go along with it.
If MS made a succesful MP3 player, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing.
From my understanding of it, the legislation is ludicrous. It is not much different than forcing a company to open up their source code for patent-protected products and allowing anyone to develop copies of a proprietary product.
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While I do not like or support DRM or any other type of copy protection. I do believe it is the right of any company to protect their product as they see fit. If Apple chooses to make the iTunes and iPod a package deal thats free enterprise. Though I am no great fan of Microsoft, they have also been unfairly dealt with in regards to bundling of their products.
Monopoly laws were designed to protect the consumer from being forced to deal with only one company in a given area and protect opportunity for fair competition. There are many choices besides Apple to listen to music.
Monopoly laws were designed to protect the consumer from being forced to deal with only one company in a given area and protect opportunity for fair competition. There are many choices besides Apple to listen to music.
Frodo,
That article is a bit dated. Here's the most recent update:
That article is a bit dated. Here's the most recent update:
France's diluted iTunes plan becomes law
By Jo Best
http://news.com.com/Frances+diluted+iTu ... 02257.html
Story last modified Fri Aug 04 09:01:11 PDT 2006
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French legislation that had caused an uproar for its approach to iTunes has finally entered the statute books--but the controversy continues.
The law now in force is a watered-down version of a bill that had initially threatened to outlaw Apple Computer's practice of using digital rights management technology with purchases made on the iTunes Music Store. Apple's rivals can now request information necessary to make their services and MP3 players interoperable with iTunes and iPods, but Apple must be compensated.
France's main opposition party, the Parti Socialiste, has promised that, should it be elected in 2007, it will revise the law, after consulting with artists, consumers, businesses and Internet service providers.
"The law is unworkable, and its problems are growing," said Anne Hidalgo, the party's national secretary for culture and the media.
The party, however, hasn't proposed concrete changes, and its legislative representatives have yet to come to a consensus. After the debates concluded, however, Ségolène Royal--tipped as a future French president--publicly came out against noninteroperable DRM, issuing a joint communication with open-source crusader Richard Stallman to that effect.
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I should add that anything purchased from the itunes store can be burned to a cd limitless times and subsequently re-ripped back to mp3 if necessary to put on any mp3 player. You may have to type in titles sometimes but DRM isn't ironclad. It mearly makes it enough of a pain that basically honest people willing to spend the money won't bother.