8.02. Still no mute MIDI notes! :(

[hrw]

Will it ever happen? Is it falling on deaf ears. Surely it can't be that hard...

[corbo-billy]

It is true that it is not possible except for the DRUMS Editor.

[James Steele]

Will it ever happen? Is it falling on deaf ears. Surely it can't be that hard...

I don't know, but since this is reading more like a "gripe" or "lament" I'll move it to the appropriate forum.

[Prime Mover]

Man, did you really expect this on a .0x update? MOTU themselves have said that .0x updates are by-in-large, maintenance updates. They may add a few goodies from time to time, but they're extras. Don't be surprised if your favorite new feature, which has seen dozens of updates without addition, doesn't get added.

Seriously, I can imagine mute MIDI notes might be useful, and I'm all about adding new features to accommodate for different workflows, but until then, there are about 5 other ways to accomplish the task. My favorite is to duplicate take and delete said MIDI notes.

[Dwetmaster]

My favorite is to duplicate take and delete said MIDI notes.

It is as easy AND as fast as a note mute...

[David Polich]

Forgive me for asking, but can anyone remind me why "mute MIDI notes"
is such a desirable feature? I can't remember ever needing it myself.

[Gravity Jim]

I'm kind of glad to see David say this, because I have wonded exactly that same thing. What would "mute MIDI notes" do that you can't so with existing editing tools?

[hrw]

I use Studio One as a DAW as well as DP which I've been using since DP 4. The mute MIDI notes function has become a powerful tool for me to try things without deleting them so they are still there if need be. Especially in big orchestral arrangements. You guys might have workarounds but that's exactly what they are for me. Most other DAWS have this feature I think and I've now become quite appreciative of it and dependant. I hope they implement it in the future as I know that everyone will enjoy the option of having it. Best, Haydn.

[Mario-C.]

Open the track using the drum edit window and there ya go, you can mute / un mute all the MIDI notes you want and apply MIDI effects to each note too.

You can also mute MIDI regions in the MIDI edit window, the one that has the piano roll ...

You can also duplicate the take you want to edit in the same track and delete the notes you want if you don't want to use the drum edit window, you can switch takes on the fly to compare your takes.

[bayswater]

Forgive me for asking, but can anyone remind me why "mute MIDI notes"
is such a desirable feature? I can't remember ever needing it myself.

I used it a fair bit in Cubase (when I used Cubase). You might have complicated phrase, loop it and listen to small variations by muting different notes on each pass. Or draw in new notes, then mute them if they don't give you what you expected, but you're not sure you want to delete them yet.

There are a lot of uses of this sort. You can do all of them in different ways in DP, but it's a pretty common feature in sequencers, and I'm not convinced that the alternatives are as simple and straightforward as a MIDI mute.

With audio, you have a pool of events. If you remove audio from the sequence, it's still available. There is also a mute tool for audio events. With MIDI when you delete it, it's gone (yes, there's undo, but that's not quite the same thing.) Being able to mute MIDI and audio with the mute tools would certainly be consistent with the DP design principles.

I'd like to have it. There are times when I want to try out some alternatives, and occasionally, not having it is annoying. Although it's not at the top of my list.

[Prime Mover]

My only concern is it's just one more thing to keep track of that is very hard to tell. Sometimes something just doesn't look right, and I have to go searching for why it's not right, and it takes time. MIDI mute just strikes me as a guarantee for getting confused. I'm not opposed to having it in DP, but I personally would avoid it like the plague. As I said previously, I'd rather make a duplicate take and return to if I remember... that way, the note are completely gone from the active take, no concern about figuring out why those notes that are visible just won't sound!

[bayswater]

no concern about figuring out why those notes that are visible just won't sound!

presumably muted notes would be greyed or blurred. Like muted bites and channels.

[Arceo]

Forgive me for asking, but can anyone remind me why "mute MIDI notes"
is such a desirable feature? I can't remember ever needing it myself.

Well, if you never make use of the "Soundbite Mute Tool", then you are hardly going to need a "MIDI Mute Tool".
But if you often find yourself clicking M on your keyboard to temporary invoke the Soundbite Mute Tool (like I do) which temporarily transform your pointer into an "X" and let you grey out every soundbite you click on muting them (like I do), then chances are that you'd like to do the same with MIDI notes (like i do).
I agree that duplicating tracks is a great workaround. It's just that I'd like, as with audio soundbite, to visualize the note that I'm trying to evaluate.
I admit, it's not a big deal, anyway I'm sure that it wold speed up this part of my daily workflow.

Long Live to DP!!!
Arceo

[Prime Mover]

presumably muted notes would be greyed or blurred. Like muted bites and channels.

Of course, but MIDI events are tiny and can really only be seen by going into the MIDI edit window and going right to the event. By-in-large, soundbites are far more substantial, and it's easier to see their muted ness from a distance. Muting little individual components just sounds like a recipe for "looking for a needle in a haystack"

[bayswater]

presumably muted notes would be greyed or blurred. Like muted bites and channels.

Of course, but MIDI events are tiny and can really only be seen by going into the MIDI edit window and going right to the event. By-in-large, soundbites are far more substantial, and it's easier to see their muted ness from a distance. Muting little individual components just sounds like a recipe for "looking for a needle in a haystack"

Yes, I agree the MIDI editor is the place a MIDI mute tool would be useful. Using it in the TO would get us into yet another debate on MIDI regions and I don't want to be the one that makes poor Shooshie suffer through that again.