Gonna use DP for backtracks for the first time...

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:38 pm

Any suggestions?

The plan is to have DP and a 828 feeding the mixer 8 tracks.
It's probably be run by someone who's never used DP before. So I need it to stop automatically after each song so they just have to press play.

Is chunks the best way to go?
Or can I have all tracks after each other and make DP automatically stop somehow?

Any other pitfalls to be aware of?

thanks

DZ

fullertime · Post by **fullertime** » Tue May 10, 2011 3:59 pm

We do this at my church every weekend. Currently, I just import each song into the sequence as separate tracks and add markers.

The folks that run it have been trained in the basic start/stop controls and how to jump to markers.

Ive thought about using chunks but haven't ventured there yet.

By the way, it works perfectly and it opens up a world of cool
Opportunities via MIDI

Let me know what you decide to go with.

Peace

Fuller

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Tue May 10, 2011 6:10 pm

FutureLegends wrote:Any suggestions?

The plan is to have DP and a 828 feeding the mixer 8 tracks.
It's probably be run by someone who's never used DP before. So I need it to stop automatically after each song so they just have to press play.

Is chunks the best way to go?
Or can I have all tracks after each other and make DP automatically stop somehow?

Any other pitfalls to be aware of?

thanks

DZ

Chunks is the way to go. Set end markers on every chunk and all you operator has to do is change the chunks and press play.

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Tue May 10, 2011 7:22 pm

kwiz wrote: Chunks is the way to go. Set end markers on every chunk and all you operator has to do is change the chunks and press play.

Actually with the cue chunk function all he has to do is to press play

What I wish though is: possibility to chain some chunks and cue others. Is this possible? Also there is a slight delay when next chunk is loaded, I was hoping to chain them and they could go straight into each other. Is there a way to get DP to preload or something so there's no delay?

Thanks
DZ

fullertime · Post by **fullertime** » Tue May 10, 2011 7:38 pm

That's the main reason we haven't gone to chunks...

By creating linear sequences, we can program in crossfades and transitions for some of the back to back songs with no hiccups or
Pauses

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:37 am

Ya know, this brings up a question for me that I don't have an answer for.

Let's say each of your chunks is a sequence with a lot of VI's and CPU-intensive plugs - isn't that kind of a recipe for trouble, switching
from chunk to chunk?

I did use chunks for playback in DP 5 on my old G4 Powerbook, and even
with minimal plugs, when it got to the point where there was to be
a transition to the next chunk, DP would stop and I'd get the beachball
for about 8 seconds. Then the next chunk would start.

Dwetmaster · Post by **Dwetmaster** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:25 am

I would combine the "segue" songs into one chunk, and separate the non-segue songs into separate songs.

@David Polich:
I would DEFINITELY render everything as audio with close to no plugins to use DP live. Maybe it's just me.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Wed May 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Dwetmaster wrote:I would combine the "segue" songs into one chunk, and separate the non-segue songs into separate songs.

@David Polich:
I would DEFINITELY render everything as audio with close to no plugins to use DP live. Maybe it's just me.

It's not just you! The key word when doing this stuff live is to simplify! Keep it simple, because complexities invite disaster! Practice it for simplicity. I think a lot of people get some idea that they will be able to do all kinds of tricks on stage with all the power of a DAW. Once someone tries it, they tend to get the message and they're not as apt to require persuasion to just keep it simple.

Shooshie

fullertime · Post by **fullertime** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:11 pm

100% audio render of all VI's... I agree, keep It simple... You want that CPU and ram available to run the program free with nice performance and no glitches...

amergin · Post by **amergin** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:32 am

Not meaning to do a sales job here but have you thought of using something a bit simpler if all you're doing is running backing tracks? I released an app for the iphone a short while ago for just this purpose as I found myself dragging my laptop all over the place when all I needed was a simple backing track (which I used to just use a cd for). The app is OneTrack and can be seen at http://www.onetrackapp.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Could be that you need higher fidelity than the output of the iphone (or ipod touch) though..? I use DP to do everything then bounce stuff down to high quality mp3 and line it up in itunes... No-one has complained yet!

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Thu May 12, 2011 10:57 am

Shooshie wrote:
Dwetmaster wrote:I would combine the "segue" songs into one chunk, and separate the non-segue songs into separate songs.

@David Polich:
I would DEFINITELY render everything as audio with close to no plugins to use DP live. Maybe it's just me.

It's not just you! The key word when doing this stuff live is to simplify! Keep it simple, because complexities invite disaster! Practice it for simplicity. I think a lot of people get some idea that they will be able to do all kinds of tricks on stage with all the power of a DAW. Once someone tries it, they tend to get the message and they're not as apt to require persuasion to just keep it simple.

Shooshie

Exactly...I rarely use any plugins with the exception of Trim and MW Limiter. (When doing live shows of course)

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