MPE is broken in DP 11.1 and Higher

[fdco]

MPE support works fine in DP 11.04 and is broken since the release of DP 11.1

I reported the problem to MOTU Support.
They asked to check basic things like input device settings and protocol settings to no avail.

They did not tell me if they could reproduce or NOT, the problem.

I gave them more detailed information about the problem, how to reproduce, issues with channel pressure, pitch bend data on channel one etc, but they never came back to me.

Can someone with an MPE Controller confirm the problem?

I'm using a Linnstrument

Thanks

Fred

[waterstrum]

I can confirm that MPE doesn't work anymore.
In my case, a Hydrasynth.
Bummer.

[stubbsonic]

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Once again, the Unicorn leaves its mark.

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This thread got me wondering. I don't have an expensive ROLI, so I invested $3 in

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ribbons-t ... d898059305.

I used it on FXpansion Cypher2 on a combined Instrument/MIDI track on the Cypher2 5D instruments and recorded. It played back exactly as I recorded it. Snoize MIDI Monitor showed MIDI data on all 16 channels. Note I am on 11.11. What am I missing?

[waterstrum]

Found the solution to MPE with the Hydrasynth.
It appears that the installation of DP11.1 toggled the input filter for Poly Pressure to off.
Working fine now.
This may not be the answer for more advanced MPE users, but I'm relieved.

[fdco]

Found the solution to MPE with the Hydrasynth.
It appears that the installation of DP11.1 toggled the input filter for Poly Pressure to off.
Working fine now.
This may not be the answer for more advanced MPE users, but I'm relieved.

Thanks for checking out.

I have Poly Pressure and Poly pitch bend play correctly, live on input (that is, transport stopped),
but when I record and playback the track, there's no more Poly Pressure and no more Poly Pitch bend.
Toggling Poly Pressure does not help.
In the MIDI Editor, I can see no pitch bend, cc74, or Poly pressure data.

I exported the track as a MIDI File and opened it in Logic.
Looking at the event list, all the notes were recorded on channel 1 even though in live input mode DP received data on all channels (because I could play Polyphonic pitch bends)
So no pitch bend or cc74 data either there, but for some reason, Logic could play the Poly Pressure data.

Is there some hidden "record filter" besides the "Input filter" ?

Again, Linnstrument, Falcon, Bazille, Pigments, Vital …
Everything is OK in DP 11.04, Logic, Waveform, S1, R****R and Cubase 12

F

[fdco]

This thread got me wondering. I don't have an expensive ROLI, so I invested $3 in

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ribbons-t ... d898059305.

I used it on FXpansion Cypher2 on a combined Instrument/MIDI track on the Cypher2 5D instruments and recorded. It played back exactly as I recorded it. Snoize MIDI Monitor showed MIDI data on all 16 channels. Note I am on 11.11. What am I missing?

Hum, interesting,

Thanks for reporting.

Is the app polyphonic?

Snoize shows MIDI data on input.

Do you have the notes recorded on separate channels in the Event List?

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This thread got me wondering. I don't have an expensive ROLI, so I invested $3 in

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ribbons-t ... d898059305.

I used it on FXpansion Cypher2 on a combined Instrument/MIDI track on the Cypher2 5D instruments and recorded. It played back exactly as I recorded it. Snoize MIDI Monitor showed MIDI data on all 16 channels. Note I am on 11.11. What am I missing?

Hum, interesting,

Thanks for reporting.

Is the app polyphonic?

Snoize shows MIDI data on input.

Do you have the notes recorded on separate channels in the Event List?

I can't help you now. The app is polyphonic. The Event list doesn't show separate channels. Do you have the MIDI protocol set to MPE?:

[fdco]

This thread got me wondering. I don't have an expensive ROLI, so I invested $3 in

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ribbons-t ... d898059305.

I used it on FXpansion Cypher2 on a combined Instrument/MIDI track on the Cypher2 5D instruments and recorded. It played back exactly as I recorded it. Snoize MIDI Monitor showed MIDI data on all 16 channels. Note I am on 11.11. What am I missing?

Hum, interesting,

Thanks for reporting.

Is the app polyphonic?

Snoize shows MIDI data on input.

Do you have the notes recorded on separate channels in the Event List?

I can't help you now. The app is polyphonic. The Event list doesn't show separate channels. Do you have the MIDI protocol set to MPE?:

Thanks for sharing

Yes, the MIDI Protocol is set to MPE.

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Also, the interest of MPE is that each note is played on a different MIDI Channel to allow Polyphonic Pitch bends (that is pitch bend per note), Channel pressure, and CC74 (per note).
So if you don't see separate channels per note, you're in the same situation as me.

Can you record and playback Polyphonic Pitch Bends, that is, one note pitches up and a second note pitches down simultaneously?

To rephrase my problem: When the transport bar is stopped, I can play my controller and MPE works fine.
BUT, when I play back what was recorded all MPE data is gone and, looking at the event list and MIDI editor, I see that no MPE data has been recorded.

[Michael Canavan]

Yeah I can report the same thing here, "mostly" MPE works fine until you record it, it's recording on Channel one only with no pitch bend information. Aftertouch isn't working that great either. This is probably somehow related to some controller bug they introduced with 11.11. The Launchpad MKII here is broken almost entirely in later versions of 11 as well.

So yeah, of the new features in 11, right now two of the ones I use the most are broken.

[fdco]

Yeah I can report the same thing here, "mostly" MPE works fine until you record it, it's recording on Channel one only with no pitch bend information. Aftertouch isn't working that great either. This is probably somehow related to some controller bug they introduced with 11.11. The Launchpad MKII here is broken almost entirely in later versions of 11 as well.

So yeah, of the new features in 11, right now two of the ones I use the most are broken.

Michael, thank you for confirming the problem.

I reported the issue on May 2nd and have not heard from MOTU Support since May 4th.

I hope they fix the problem soon as I badly need MPE for my next project.

I guess I can still use DP 11.04 though

[Michael Canavan]

Michael, thank you for confirming the problem.

I reported the issue on May 2nd and have not heard from MOTU Support since May 4th.

I hope they fix the problem soon as I badly need MPE for my next project.

I guess I can still use DP 11.04 though

Yeah, like I mentioned there's also issues with control surfaces since the introduction of single tracks for MIDI and instruments, so something got broken on MIDI input in DP it seems.

[Michael Canavan]

Worth mentioning that I was able to solve the control surface issue I was having by trashing DP's preferences. A reminder that it remains possible for them to get corrupted etc.

In the mean time, contacting MOTU about it I mentioned the MPE bug and they said they were aware of it, and investigating etc. so we should see an update at some point here.

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Thanks all for reporting. I'm following.

[carterburwell]

I'm having all the same issues. I can play my ROLI Seaboard live through DP and all MPE data passes through to the synth (except poly pressure for some reason). But none of that data is recorded. DP used to do this fine.