DP11 is here!

[bayswater]

Really? There's nothing new on the MOTU Youtube channel. Guess they're afraid it might attract new users.

There's plenty on Motu.com of all places.

Plenty on 10, I only see 3 short ones on 11, on the What's New page...are there more somewhere?

I wasn't referring to youtube. There's a lot of stuff describing DP 11 on the MOTU site. I got there from the email they sent out.
https://motu.com/en-us/products/software/dp/

[monkey man]

This sure is a pleasant surprise, with one small caveat:

I can't help but feel that the integer update was brought forward due to the necessity of providing native AS support. Sure, the other additions and enhancements I've heard of are cool, but I'm not seeing an integer-upgrade's worth of stuff there.

As soon as you throw in coding for an entirely new chip configuration, then it becomes a big deal... maybe... sort of.

IOW, I was expecting an end-of-year or early-next-year release with a few more enhancements and additions, with AS support arriving in the meantime with a point update.

Still, I'm happy & grateful. Thank you, MOTU!

[mhschmieder]

Yep, PDF's are great; but browser-hosted docs (or video-only "manuals") not so good, as most of us need to keep our browsers from launching while doing intensive DP sessions, to preserve resources.

Great feature list for DP11. Not sure I can take the risk while finalizing some projects, but maybe in a month or two.

I might be tempted to buy an MPE controller now that DP will support them!

Scalable fonts are a life-saver at my age; I'm starting to really struggle with some of the text these days.

The MIDI 2.0 spec is near-finalized now, and I've been working hard on trying to prepare for supporting it in my current project. Lots of restructuring (and I'm working solo) but it actually leads to a cleaner code base ultimately, as one ends up being forced to decouple and abstract a lot of concepts that kind of got munged together in traditional MIDI 1.x implementations.

Hopefully MOTU benefitted as well from the demands of MPE support and related MIDI 2.0 preparations.

[FlikPat]

They literally just stopped me from throwing up my hands and switching to Logic. The Icon Control Surface integration is the clincher for me. I'm on a 2013 Mac Pro that I upgraded with more RAM and bigger drive and while my new studio is being constructed, I was just going to keep everything in storage and hope that the new Mac Pros will be shipping with Apple Silicon chips my the time it's done. Now I'm tempted to keep a small workstation together and dig into DP11, knowing that when I do upgrade to a Silicon Mac Pro, DP11 will be an easy transition.

Would be great to know if their control surface upgrades mean there will be a usable iPad/iPhone remote app.

[corbo-billy]

+ 1 _ I'm a bit puzzled and you book the words out of my mouth; it looks like a 10.5 version and MOTU would have come out of it grown commercially but perhaps not financially.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating .

[BobK]

I'm not seeing an integer-upgrade's worth of stuff there.

I agree.

And I don’t know of other DAWs that required an integer update for Big Sur compatibility.

Stll, I bought it.

[MW1]

Motu normally give a 30 day trial for new major versions but I don't see the option on the website...anyone know if there's a downloadable trial version?

No and Yes. The License Manager has not changed since DP 9.5.

There never has been a trial version. Since version 8, DP will run for 30 days without a license. Since included UVI VI libraries were introduced with DP 10, you will not be able to download those and the included loops without a license. If you had 10, you can access them from 11.

OK, that's what I meant - 30 days without a license... I'm on DP10 so I'm not worried about UVI libraries etc.

So, does anyone know if the installer gives the option to run for 30 days before authorising?

[MW1]

Motu normally give a 30 day trial for new major versions but I don't see the option on the website...anyone know if there's a downloadable trial version?

No and Yes. The License Manager has not changed since DP 9.5.

There never has been a trial version. Since version 8, DP will run for 30 days without a license. Since included UVI VI libraries were introduced with DP 10, you will not be able to download those and the included loops without a license. If you had 10, you can access them from 11.

OK, that's what I meant - 30 days without a license... I'm on DP10 so I'm not worried about UVI libraries etc.

So, does anyone know if the installer gives the option to run for 30 days before authorising?

Answering my own question here... I just downloaded the installer and yes, you can run DP11 in demo mode for 30 days.

Trying it out now...

[gavspen]

Excited!
I finally will be able to retire my 2008 Power Mac and upgrade to Mac Mini M1 and DP11 (still on Dp9) I have some catch up to do. Albeit I wonder if I should wait for a Mac Mini that will offer more than 16GB of RAM...

Same here, my 2008 is still chugging along I'm pretty sure a Mini with 8gb will be an performance improvement.

I'm thinking about that too, but wondering about the lack of ports on the M1 mac minis. I've got 2 monitors (VGAs. Will they work?) I'll need a big external HD, iLok, 828 mk3, keyboard/mouse obviously. I guess there's some expander/hub. Have to do the research I guess.

[dix]

I'm not seeing an integer-upgrade's worth of stuff there.

I agree.

And I don’t know of other DAWs that required an integer update for Big Sur compatibility.

I was wondering why MOTU didn't put AS compatibility at the the top of the list of new features. It's a huge deal. But I think you're right. Compatibility isn't a feature. It's the bare minimum a software company has to do be in business.

That said, I think the updated feature-set is well worth the price. There's a lot of new stuff for me in it...Plus an integer update was overdue.

Favorite new unheralded feature: Transpose Excluded tracks. That's been long overdue

[bayswater]

This sure is a pleasant surprise, with one small caveat:

I can't help but feel that the integer update was brought forward due to the necessity of providing native AS support. Sure, the other additions and enhancements I've heard of are cool, but I'm not seeing an integer-upgrade's worth of stuff there.

As soon as you throw in coding for an entirely new chip configuration, then it becomes a big deal... maybe... sort of.

IOW, I was expecting an end-of-year or early-next-year release with a few more enhancements and additions, with AS support arriving in the meantime with a point update.

Still, I'm happy & grateful. Thank you, MOTU!

If the major new features are not of use, then it's GUI improvements and (we hope) bug fixes. If they are, it seems to me it is comparable to other integer upgrades of DP as well as upgrade of other apps.

[dwilliams]

I think if you factor out the Big Sur and M1 compatibility and improved control surface integration (assuming it is in fact substantially improved), there aren't that many features to warrant an "11" release. This seems like a "10.14" release to me. I'm sure MOTU invested a lot for those features and I can understand why they want to monetize that effort but since I'm on an Intel Catalina machine with no control surface, I don't know that I can pony up $195 for this. I was hoping for a lot of interface improvements and workflow features, many of which have been requested for years. I'll revisit and repost my list for "11.1". Also, did they mention any significant "under the hood" enhancements"? I'm sure I'll upgrade at some point but I don't know that I'll go for it just now.

[Michael Canavan]

I’ve got to 100% disagree with all of you that think it doesn’t warrant a point release upgrade. MPE alone is some deep level coding to implement, then there’s articulation maps, control surface support, an upgraded sampler with time stretching built in, resizable faders, new tools, better Clips support, new Score features, Chunk folders, etc etc. Even if none of it was stuff I personally would use it’s still an impressive list of improvements.

[profdraper]

And I don’t know of other DAWs that required an integer update for Big Sur compatibility.

Totally agree ... *everyone* else provided Big Sur & M1 compatibility as a free update and before and paid versions. DP11 seems to have a good deal of new features, however, ethically MOTU should have provided at least Big Sur support for DP10. Shonky.

[HCMarkus]

And I don’t know of other DAWs that required an integer update for Big Sur compatibility.

Totally agree ... *everyone* else provided Big Sur & M1 compatibility as a free update and before and paid versions. DP11 seems to have a good deal of new features, however, ethically MOTU should have provided at least Big Sur support for DP10. Shonky.

Would you prefer a subscription approach? Not me.