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For example:
How can I assign a bass sound on the left hand side of my MIDI keyboard and piano on the right?
The bass is one MIDI instrument and the piano is another.

Another scenario:
I have a MIDI drum pad controller (Roland TD3) and I want to assign each note to different MIDI output channel/port destinations. Then I can customise a kit from multiple MIDI modules and patches.


I am in the very early stages of learning DP. I am guessing I could simply route the MIDI controller to multiple MIDI output destinations and filter the notes of each destination MIDI instrument as a way of sharing/assigning notes amongst multiple MIDI instrument/patches?

Any experienced DP users able to explain the method.
Being able to split a keyboard amongst multiple sounds will be a creative tool itself. Jamming with multiple sounds.

If it can't be done. Then the workaround I can think of is a 2 tier keyboard stand with 2 separate MIDI controller keyboards. Hope not.

I don't think DP is set up to do key splits on input.

Romanp wrote:For example:
How can I assign a bass sound on the left hand side of my MIDI keyboard and piano on the right?
The bass is one MIDI instrument and the piano is another.

Another scenario:
I have a MIDI drum pad controller (Roland TD3) and I want to assign each note to different MIDI output channel/port destinations. Then I can customise a kit from multiple MIDI modules and patches.


I am in the very early stages of learning DP. I am guessing I could simply route the MIDI controller to multiple MIDI output destinations and filter the notes of each destination MIDI instrument as a way of sharing/assigning notes amongst multiple MIDI instrument/patches?.

Use Multi Record in DP and split the MIDI output on your controller to two tracks in DP assigned to the desired sounds.

Or split a single track MIDI part after recording using Split Notes command.

It's in my top ten list, DP doesn't constrain MIDI notes by range in a track. So in order to do this you need a controller keyboard that can split the keyboard by channel. Pre MPE this was the only glaring omission in DP's MIDI arsenal, which besides these two things is really pretty dammed great.

HCMarkus wrote:I don't think DP is set up to do key splits on input.

Romanp wrote:For example:
How can I assign a bass sound on the left hand side of my MIDI keyboard and piano on the right?
The bass is one MIDI instrument and the piano is another.

Another scenario:
I have a MIDI drum pad controller (Roland TD3) and I want to assign each note to different MIDI output channel/port destinations. Then I can customise a kit from multiple MIDI modules and patches.


I am in the very early stages of learning DP. I am guessing I could simply route the MIDI controller to multiple MIDI output destinations and filter the notes of each destination MIDI instrument as a way of sharing/assigning notes amongst multiple MIDI instrument/patches?.

Use Multi Record in DP and split the MIDI output on your controller to two tracks in DP assigned to the desired sounds.

Or split a single track MIDI part after recording using Split Notes command.

If I output one MIDI controller to two or more MIDI outputs that would layer the multiple sounds across all keys. I stated clearly that I want to have separate sounds in different zones of the keyboard, so I can play a bass sound on the left and piano on the right for example. You misunderstood my question I think.

Michael Canavan wrote:It's in my top ten list, DP doesn't constrain MIDI notes by range in a track. So in order to do this you need a controller keyboard that can split the keyboard by channel. Pre MPE this was the only glaring omission in DP's MIDI arsenal, which besides these two things is really pretty dammed great.

I think my Motif XF can do this. I have briefly read about a third party application called MIDIpipe which looks like it might be able to filter notes amongst other stuff. Maybe another method using this software like rechannelising a note range. Ok enough hypothesising.
Disappointing such a simple need isn't available in a major DAW in 2019.

MidiPipe is a donation-worthy app.
It does indeed have a keyboard split function.

I think v1.5.6 is the latest version.
http://www.subtlesoft.square7.net/MidiPipe.html

Romanp wrote:

HCMarkus wrote:I don't think DP is set up to do key splits on input.

Romanp wrote:For example:
How can I assign a bass sound on the left hand side of my MIDI keyboard and piano on the right?
The bass is one MIDI instrument and the piano is another.

Another scenario:
I have a MIDI drum pad controller (Roland TD3) and I want to assign each note to different MIDI output channel/port destinations. Then I can customise a kit from multiple MIDI modules and patches.


I am in the very early stages of learning DP. I am guessing I could simply route the MIDI controller to multiple MIDI output destinations and filter the notes of each destination MIDI instrument as a way of sharing/assigning notes amongst multiple MIDI instrument/patches?.

Use Multi Record in DP and split the MIDI output on your controller to two tracks in DP assigned to the desired sounds.

Or split a single track MIDI part after recording using Split Notes command.

If I output one MIDI controller to two or more MIDI outputs that would layer the multiple sounds across all keys. I stated clearly that I want to have separate sounds in different zones of the keyboard, so I can play a bass sound on the left and piano on the right for example. You misunderstood my question I think.

As I didn't state clearly, you have to constrain the MIDI channels' key ranges to your desired zones in your controller. Thought you might figure that part out... you seem like a bright fellow.

Your Yamaha Motif can definitely do this.

It's a hack but you can use the MIDI transpose plug-in to send a range of notes to a note that is out of range of the receiving instrument. This will allow you to create "splits" in DP.

When I was gigging with DP I used MachFive 3 and created the splits within the instrument.

Dave

AFAICT, MidiPipe is a MIDI swissknife, but will bite the dust with Catalina OS. It will be missed...

Michael Canavan wrote:It's in my top ten list, DP doesn't constrain MIDI notes by range in a track. So in order to do this you need a controller keyboard that can split the keyboard by channel. Pre MPE this was the only glaring omission in DP's MIDI arsenal, which besides these two things is really pretty dammed great.

I'm starting to find DP's lack of MPE less and less problematic. I'm no longer pushing for a one-track solution for MPE like with other DAWs, but some nice features to make it easier to edit on multiple MIDI tracks. My biggest problem with editing MPE in DP is just finding which track a note was recorded on when opening up all the tracks in the MIDI edit window. If there were an option to "activate/edit" a MIDI track by clicking on one of it's notes that would be awesome! I could just click a note, and it would automatically pop up its associated CC data below.

Meanwhile, MPE editing in Logic is messy and prone to problems. Curiously, if you ever need to play more than one MPE instrument at once (I know, not common), Logic can't, while DP can.

I'm still pushing for more MPE-friendly features, but I think a few little things will go a long way, and I'm concerned that a new "multi-channel" MIDI track may not actually be the best system.

HCMarkus wrote:As I didn't state clearly, you have to constrain the MIDI channels' key ranges to your desired zones in your controller. Thought you might figure that part out... you seem like a bright fellow.

IMO: Controller-based MIDI splits are a really really cumbersome solution. You have to manually change it for every song or part of a song (I have many where the split point changes in different sections). You can make it work for recording, but who plays like that? It's a very glaring DP omission as many here have stated. Some boards don't have splits, and some are really messy. Its 2019, this is something the software should be handling on a per-project basis.

It a really easy fix too, DPs "MIDI Device Groups" would be a very very easy way of handling this. They just need to add a few options for Range and Transposition, and this would make the MDG system 10x more usable as it is.

Prime Mover wrote:

HCMarkus wrote:As I didn't state clearly, you have to constrain the MIDI channels' key ranges to your desired zones in your controller. Thought you might figure that part out... you seem like a bright fellow.

IMO: Controller-based MIDI splits are a really really cumbersome solution. You have to manually change it for every song or part of a song (I have many where the split point changes in different sections). You can make it work for recording, but who plays like that? It's a very glaring DP omission as many here have stated. Some boards don't have splits, and some are really messy. Its 2019, this is something the software should be handling on a per-project basis.

It a really easy fix too, DPs "MIDI Device Groups" would be a very very easy way of handling this. They just need to add a few options for Range and Transposition, and this would make the MDG system 10x more usable as it is.

Cumbersome, perhaps, but available today to the OP and his Motif.

Of course, setting key ranges in VIs is another possible option that can be customized on a per-instantiation basis.

I don't need key splitting functionality in DP, but can understand that some/many might.

https://www.plogue.com/products/bidule.html


This software is absolutely killer for live MIDI processing in DP.

Dave

Prime Mover wrote: Meanwhile, MPE editing in Logic is messy and prone to problems. Curiously, if you ever need to play more than one MPE instrument at once (I know, not common), Logic can't, while DP can.

I'm still pushing for more MPE-friendly features, but I think a few little things will go a long way, and I'm concerned that a new "multi-channel" MIDI track may not actually be the best system.

It would. The main glaring problem with Logic is it cannot differentiate MIDI controllers by port. Other DAWs that can do MPE will assign the port (in my case Rise 49) to that track, so you could easily also play a Seaboard Block or LInnstrument.

What is an MPE?
A simple MIDI note filter would allow three uses that I would like/need.

1. Any number of note ranges on a keyboard assigned to multiple sounds. Send the one controller to multiple sounds and just filter the notes sent to each one to create the key note ranges.

2. Assigning the pads on my Roland TD3 MIDI controller drum kit to multiple instruments and choosing the drums... ehhh hang on this sounds laborious. Splitting the drum pads to different MIDI channels so I could have a whole bank of kick drums on one note and then select different kicks by changing the note sent from the drum pad module (TD3).

3. I am having trouble with my TD3 MIDI drum kit hit. When I play an open hi hat hit to a closed hi hat hit, the hit foot pedal triggers a hi hat pedal note at the same time as I hit a closed hi hat note and it seems to create a nasty unnatural doubled up, muting each other, flamming effect. If I could filter out the hi hat pedal note I think my playing the closed hi hat note would mute the open hi hat cleanly instead of the pedal hi hat note and the closed hi hat note competing with each other.