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Sweet mother of lord, if someone would be able to explain me the logic behind the use of a touchpad (or a mouse wheel) in the Sequence Window, I'm all ears.
I have set my click to "tap" so - no clicking the pad. With tap I can scroll the timeline vertically and horizontally and diagonally. And that's it. I can smash modifiers all day long, nothing happens.
What I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO, after clicking some modifiers (cmd/opt/shift) is zooming in or out in whatever directions modified (alt - vertical, cmd - horizontal for instance). Without clicking anything, without lifting my hand up and placing it on kb for zooming and then placing it back on the pad for selection or drag or whatever and then placing it on kb again to zoom and... ad infinitum.
If you want to know how it's supposed to work, just open up Audition.
It's not 1998 anymore.

If I have missed an option somewhere (I'm rather sure I've not, tho), please tell me.
Until then
Thanks.

Anyone? This is rather ridiculous.
Sometimes, when I'm swiping ("wheeling") near the playhead, it zooms. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it just scrolls. What the F*, this' supposed to be a basic operation for crying out loud
TBH tying the wheel zoom to the playhead proximity (a GUI element that moves around and most of the times is not at the place you actually want to zoom to) is one the most idiotic UX design examples I can think of...
Fix it.

marduk wrote:Sweet mother of lord, if someone would be able to explain me the logic behind the use of a touchpad (or a mouse wheel) in the Sequence Window, I'm all ears.
I have set my click to "tap" so - no clicking the pad. With tap I can scroll the timeline vertically and horizontally and diagonally. And that's it. I can smash modifiers all day long, nothing happens.
What I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO, after clicking some modifiers (cmd/opt/shift) is zooming in or out in whatever directions modified (alt - vertical, cmd - horizontal for instance). Without clicking anything, without lifting my hand up and placing it on kb for zooming and then placing it back on the pad for selection or drag or whatever and then placing it on kb again to zoom and... ad infinitum.

I have no idea what any of that is supposed to mean. It reads like unintelligible rubbish.
I can zoom in-out at many levels using the relevant shortcuts. It could not be easier.

marduk wrote: If you want to know how it's supposed to work, just open up Audition.
It's not 1998 anymore.

If I have missed an option somewhere (I'm rather sure I've not, tho), please tell me.
Until then
Thanks.

Oh, so some guy who obviously has no idea how DP works, tells us how DP should work? Wow!

Tip> DP is not Audition. Why would you pre-suppose DP should work like that other program?

marduk wrote:Anyone? This is rather ridiculous.
Sometimes, when I'm swiping ("wheeling") near the playhead, it zooms. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it just scrolls. What the F*, this' supposed to be a basic operation for crying out loud
TBH tying the wheel zoom to the playhead proximity (a GUI element that moves around and most of the times is not at the place you actually want to zoom to) is one the most idiotic UX design examples I can think of...
Fix it.

That's NOT how you use the myriad was you can zoom in DP. Not even close!

What is ridiculous is that you expect program A to behave like program B, and you obviously haven't bothered to even thumb through the manual to learn how DP does this elementary thing.



And, if you want to be taken seriously in this forum, you need to adjust your attitude, OK?

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The two finger vertical swipe over the cursor works fine for me and always has. No clicking here. The mouse wheel does the same thing. Hold the mouse pointer over the cursor and move the wheel.

Maybe your system trackpad/mouse prefs need attention.

FMiguelez wrote: I have no idea what any of that is supposed to mean. It reads like unintelligible rubbish.

Which part exactly was unintelligible to you? The part where I explained how it should work or the part where I explained how it is working at the moment (with these "relevant" shortcuts, as it is)? May-be it has something to do with reading comprehension?

FMiguelez wrote:That's NOT how you use the myriad was you can zoom in DP. Not even close!

What is ridiculous is that you expect program A to behave like program B, and you obviously haven't bothered to even thumb through the manual to learn how DP does this elementary thing.



And, if you want to be taken seriously in this forum, you need to adjust your attitude, OK?

According to the post next to yours, it's exactly one of the way you can zoom in DP. So quite close.
Anyway, I didn't EXPECT program A to behave like program B, it was an EXAMPLE – a great deal of difference. Nevertheless, Wise Man, please do tell these myriad ways you can zoom in DP without clicking or changing the tool or lifting your hand off the mouse. Last I rtfm-ed, there weren't any. It should be really, really simple: opt+scroll=vertical zoom, opt+shift+scroll=horizontal zoom. Instead it's opt+scroll=nothing... Really useful.
(It should be like this in every and each program dealing with timelines. And no, "for historical reasons" is not an answer.)
Waiting for these myriad ways, thanks.

bayswater wrote:The two finger vertical swipe over the cursor works fine for me and always has. No clicking here. The mouse wheel does the same thing. Hold the mouse pointer over the cursor and move the wheel.

Maybe your system trackpad/mouse prefs need attention.

No, neither my mouse nor trackpad need attention (EVERY other program is working as it should), the idiotic UI of this program needs attention.
Ehm. Did I not comment on the cursor zoom feature in my earlier post? It should zoom where my pointer is. Why does it zoom to cursor? Why is this useful? Why isn't it focusing on the pointer? (you know, the point where I'm actually pointing to)
And do try to zoom the cursor while its playing and you have Reshape Tool, for instance... Even if the cursor isn't playing the swipe zoom only works frequently. And what if I want to zoom somewhere else? You know, change automation lanes at some point ahead of the cursor, for instance...

If you want to zoom when the mouse is not at the play head, you would use a different command. There are a few options. One is to select an area with the alt key pressed. There are a couple of dozen shortcuts for zooming in various ways. I`m sure you can look these up. Using the wheel to zoom could create problems because if it is over a value field it willl change the value.

bayswater wrote:If you want to zoom when the mouse is not at the play head, you would use a different command. There are a few options. One is to select an area with the alt key pressed. There are a couple of dozen shortcuts for zooming in various ways. I`m sure you can look these up. Using the wheel to zoom could create problems because if it is over a value field it willl change the value.

Well, selecting areas involve clicking and dragging - which is exactly what I want to avoid while using a touchpad. Option+click does zoom in (same as z+opt+click) but opt+shift+click (doesn't matter if Zoom Tool or not) does not zoom out all the way, just to some extent. Is there a setting for "Stop Zooming Out At This Level"? (there is not). Also clicking away like an idiot to zoom to some level beyond 2 clicks – awesome!
I have looked the shortcuts up in several places (literally none with any mousing in Commands palette – also you can't search Commands by the actual commands? How rare.) This far I have stated several times what I want to be able to do and that no amount of RTFM-ing (or anyone else for that matter) is getting any closer, so please, some real advice, not "RTFM" (because I R the F out of the M before I get on any forums).
Using the wheel to zoom would not create problems in the Sequence, because there are no value fields (also, mouse focus - so you zoom to where your pointer is pointed at). If you're mousing around on the Mixer tab (for instance), then the wheel zoom should not work, of course.
So hereby hoping to get the awesome MIDI powerhose that DP undoubtedly is, I got a clusterfuck of bad UX design For a program this OLD I hoped they've ironed out all that •••• but this is just....
Seems one must resort to the help of external apps that can map gestures (or a scroll to keystrokes) and whatnot... yay more apps to perform a most basic feature.

When thousands of users don't have the same problem(s) as a single user reporting and issue, it would seem that perhaps that single user may have some system conflict or basic misunderstanding of a feature (or perceived feature).

I don't doubt the o/p is having an issue and wouldn't rush to demean him/her for that. Still, as one who uses DP for many hors a day, zooming in and out of targeted areas is not problematic on my systems.

It would seem that a call or techlink to MOTU would be in order at this point. Clearly, the answer is not to be found on this site.

About the zoom functions specifically, I can think of 5 or 6 ways to zoom. I don't like all of them, but I'm glad I have options. I use 3 of them. There are preset zoom levels that you can store and recall. There are key-commands for zooming and zoom presets. What I did was assigned the vertical and horizontal zoom commands to my mouse buttons and wheel. I can zoom all day long in and out with no issues. Super-fast and easy.

I hate the zoom-on-wiper function... so the only time I use it is accidentally. Then I grumble a little bit under my breath.

Are there things I would love to change about DP? Absolutely. Is there a perfect DAW out there for me? Probably not. DP is the closest I've found to my dream DAW. So that's what I use.

I occasionally think about using another DAW for MIDI editing, as DP's lasso selection & graphic feedback is wonky and they refuse to fix it. I also get a little frustrated about crashes. Based on someone's helpful post here, it might be that some Rogue Amoeba plugins might be the cause of my crash issues. I might create a separate boot volume sans Rogue Amoeba and see how it works.

Let me get to my point.

You might not be able to zoom the way you want to. That might be because what you want to do is requires more research than your attention-span will permit. Or it might really not be possible. If there's a DAW you like more, go use it. If you already spent lots of money on DP and are frustrated about that, I encourage you to frame your posts in a very specific way.

"I'd like to be able to use the trackpad to zoom in and out. How do I do that in DP?"

I'd be happy to describe how I programmed my game mouse to zoom. Just ask.

I use the wiper zoom all the time. Different keystrokes for different folks. Lol

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I use the wiper zoom all the time. Different keystrokes for different folks. Lol

Indeed. Personally, I'd like an option to turn wiper zoom off.

HCMarkus wrote:

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I use the wiper zoom all the time. Different keystrokes for different folks. Lol

Indeed. Personally, I'd like an option to turn wiper zoom off.

Me too. (I guess that was obvious from my previous post.)