DP 9.1 is here

[labman]

The only thing I've noticed that is different is that, when playing virtual Instruments from the controller, the latency is very, very much improved, without changing any settings.. that by itself is worth the upgrade.

Is that with plugs/VI's in realtime Killa?

[djwizprod]

How does the same project run in 9.02?

That I don't know. because i have been running 9.01, When I updated to 9.02, i had a bunch off issues, weird graphic problems, as well as processor overload, glitches in bounces etc. So, I literally had to start over and re-install 9.01. In 9.01 this very same session ran well, however it was pushing the boundries of the system, at a 512 buffer, at 1024, it was ok.

[JSmith1234567]

Working fine here.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

After a restart they are working as expected. I have been having USB and TB connectivity issues of late so it may well be something in my system. I must face!

[corbo-billy]

The Harware Plug-in is simple but I don't understand its operation; inserted in a chain of effects (at middle), it does not pass the signal to the following effects. Sometimes, he loses the connection to the external effect.
The value of the latency is always 0; it's surprising .

I work with a RME Fireface 800 _

[Michael Canavan]

NextGen PreGen works really well. I'm curious as to where MOTU stores the rendered audio though?
I'm getting high Playback meter readings now and near zero Processing readings with the Audio performance meters.

First thing I did was test it with record enabled on all the tracks and wonder why there was no improvement!

Track Assignments can now assign MIDI inputs again.

MIDI out from virtual instruments is still adding multiple duplicates though.

[danatkorg]

I've never run plug-in inserts post-fader. Can you explain why you would want to do this?

One reason: a peak limiter (e.g. Waves L2 or L3) on the master output, with a fade-out. If the limiter is pre-fader, it will continue to process in exactly the same way throughout the fade; peaks will be shaved off even when the volume is near zero. Assuming that the limiter is being used solely to avoid going over 0 dBfs (rather than to create a timbral effect), it's better to place the limiter post-fader; that way, once the limiter is no longer needed to avoid overs, it stops having an effect.

[Shooshie]

After I insert a plugin in the post fader insert slot, there appears a distinct sound degradation. Please advise.

Yes, same here.

Crackles when a plug is inserted post fader.
Same plug works fine pre fader.

Generally, when I hear crackles, my first stop is the buffer. Try giving it a little more buffer. If that doesn't work, it's pure guesswork from there, on.

Shoosh

[Babz]

So how does that work? You don't have to reduce the buffer size to reduce the latency? The What's New doc is confusing about the new reduced latency. It says

..if you choose a buffer setting of 128 samples, version 9.1 yields 256 samples of total host latency (one buffer on input and one on output), plus any hardware latency. This will improve audio I/O latency and virtual instrument performance.

That sounds like more latency, no?

Yes, this sentence makes no sense to me. Improved latency would be if you are set to 256 in DP 9.1, you now get the kind of performance that used to require a setting of 128 in earlier DP. But this sentence seems to state the opposite!

Huh???

[waxman]

So how does that work? You don't have to reduce the buffer size to reduce the latency? The What's New doc is confusing about the new reduced latency. It says

..if you choose a buffer setting of 128 samples, version 9.1 yields 256 samples of total host latency (one buffer on input and one on output), plus any hardware latency. This will improve audio I/O latency and virtual instrument performance.

That sounds like more latency, no?

Yes, this sentence makes no sense to me. Improved latency would be if you are set to 256 in DP 9.1, you now get the kind of performance that used to require a setting of 128 in earlier DP. But this sentence seems to state the opposite!

Huh???

Thats how it works... 512 feels like 256.... feels like 128.... 128 is imperceptible.

[waxman]

If a loop is set and I turn it on or off while in the loop region I get a spike. About half the time I get an overload CPU audio error. Try it. Set a song loop of 4 bars. Turn the loop off and on while in the loop region. See if you get it.

Dave confirmed it... though it's not something he would normally do. Does that make him normal or abnormal?

[dix]

Yes, this sentence makes no sense to me. Improved latency would be if you are set to 256 in DP 9.1, you now get the kind of performance that used to require a setting of 128 in earlier DP. But this sentence seems to state the opposite!

Huh???

As explained to me earlier in this thread. Buffer size always refers to the round-trip (who knew?) so we've always been getting 128 samples of latency when our buffers are set to 256. Latency is a lot less now, that's for sure. But what it is exactly is not stated anywhere that I can find. ...but, yeah. that sentence in the What's New is baffling .

[waxman]

I'm loving making music now... dissect it later... ahahah

Drummer is over here banging on the TD30 into BFD3. He CAN'T hear or feel any latency at 256. And I can jerk the transport all over the place with no problem... It used to CRASH....

This is a whole new app baby. At the same time I'm getting sounds on NI Komplete Kontrol VI's while he is playing... it's sick... flipping MOTU is godlike

[David Polich]

I've never run plug-in inserts post-fader. Can you explain why you would want to do this?

One reason: a peak limiter (e.g. Waves L2 or L3) on the master output, with a fade-out. If the limiter is pre-fader, it will continue to process in exactly the same way throughout the fade; peaks will be shaved off even when the volume is near zero. Assuming that the limiter is being used solely to avoid going over 0 dBfs (rather than to create a timbral effect), it's better to place the limiter post-fader; that way, once the limiter is no longer needed to avoid overs, it stops having an effect.

Ok I understand that. I don't master in DP so I have never encountered this.

[djwizprod]

I'm loving making music now... dissect it later... ahahah

Drummer is over here banging on the TD30 into BFD3. He CAN'T hear or feel any latency at 256. And I can jerk the transport all over the place with no problem... It used to CRASH....

This is a whole new app baby. At the same time I'm getting sounds on NI Komplete Kontrol VI's while he is playing... it's sick... flipping MOTU is godlike

Heck yeah!!! I'M LOVIN IT!!!