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Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:24 pm
by rosindabow
Hi all- I am trying to recreate an old effect that used to be readily available when mixing to a tape deck. To speed it up by some percentage. I want the pitch to raise as well. I know how to speed up the track without the pitch change but I definitely want the pitch to raise along with the speed. Is there a plugin that does this? Thanks.
Just a quick heads up - Logic X does this with ease. I have been a DP user since the very early days; Performer 2 (not Digital Performer) - not planning on going anywhere soon nor am I intentionally disparaging MOTU - it's just that I went into Logic to see if they had a solution and ended up with a simple and clear answer. It quite literally has an option in the control bar called Varispeed. Turn it up or down by percentage and out shoots your new mix. You do not even have to bounce in real time. Very cool.
DP - anything like this coming down the shoot soon?
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:49 pm
by stubbsonic
I'm curious about this. What I currently do is open the mix in Audacity and use its Change Speed function which does this well. But in DP, I don't know.
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:41 pm
by Dwetmaster
Open nano sampler, put your soundbite in it, play with pitch bend. Voilà
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:15 pm
by rosindabow
Dwetmaster wrote:Open nano sampler, put your soundbite in it, play with pitch bend. Voilà
That doesn't work. There's a marriage between the speed and pitch that the Varispeed does - as you speed it up the pitch rises commensurately. They need to be locked to each other so just using a pitch wheel - not gonna fly.
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:31 pm
by crduval
rosindabow wrote:Dwetmaster wrote:Open nano sampler, put your soundbite in it, play with pitch bend. Voilà
That doesn't work. There's a marriage between the speed and pitch that the Varispeed does - as you speed it up the pitch rises commensurately. They need to be locked to each other so just using a pitch wheel - not gonna fly.
I think it will fly - Pitch bend up will play back the sample faster which will both raise the pitch and speed of the sample - like speeding up a tape. Conversely pitch bend down will play the sample slower dropping the pitch and extending the time. Give it a try!
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Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:44 pm
by rosindabow
It does speed up and slow down - but as to the percentage, I'm just guessing. Plus I'm not sure what is being done to the file itself. I was hoping that there would be some program that would work with some type of dithering or at least attempt to keep the file as close to the original as possible. I'm not sure a pitch wheel does that. I guess for a rough idea of what it might sound like this will work. Still looking for something more like the old varispeed control on a tape machine ...
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:23 pm
by Killahurts
rosindabow wrote: Still looking for something more like the old varispeed control on a tape machine ...
My RME hardware does that..
Never tried it
But you know what's better than DP.. and logic.. and any varispeed dinosaur you could come up with?
Mach 5 (version 3).
Yeah it's money, but you want it to be good, don't you?
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:57 pm
by rosindabow
Are you talking about MOTU's Machfive? This has a varispeed option? I own it - I've never looked for it there ...
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:48 am
by stubbsonic
Killahurts wrote:
My RME hardware does that..
The thing with the RME clock is that you'd need an independent system to capture the audio once you jacked the clock.
Audacity is quick & easy and does percents. Sounds good, too. Just be sure to configure the settings for the level of quality you want. It will do it in a very high quality way.
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:13 pm
by David Polich
There is no "vari-speed" plugin available
for DP, as far as I know (could be wrong,
just havent met one yet). As for a method
of doing it in DP with MOTU native DSP
processing..not gonna happen.
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:52 am
by stephentayler
MachFive, and all samplers, can fine tune the pitch of a sample, which is identical to varispeed.
I have long wanted a simple offline process for varispeeding, or tuning, a soundbite in DP, but have always had to defer to ProTools for this offline process - although it seems this has disappeared in PT 11…. pitch shifting and time stretching gets more and more sophisticated and effective, but this basic need is always forgotten, and several extra steps are needed to get the desired result.
(I hope you-know-who isn't watching!)
SWT
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:28 am
by doodles
without exporting to Ptools...
how about apple's AUPitch? Or Lexicon pitch shifter? Not in front of computer right now, so can't remember if these 2 would do the job?
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:36 am
by rosindabow
Hello all - still the best I've found recently was the Logic varispeed. Quite elegant ... made me take a look at Logic, something I haven't done in a serious way for quite some time. It was so easy and so well laid out, just change the percentage of the speed and presto, faster/slower and a bit higher or lower, depending on what you want. I'm not leaving DP any time soon ... too many other brilliant ways to record and manipulate audio. It would be nice, just sayin' ...
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:46 am
by HCMarkus
stephentayler wrote:MachFive, and all samplers, can fine tune the pitch of a sample, which is identical to varispeed.
This.
Re: Varispeed a finished track?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:05 am
by Tritonemusic
rosindabow wrote:Dwetmaster wrote:Open nano sampler, put your soundbite in it, play with pitch bend. Voilà
That doesn't work. There's a marriage between the speed and pitch that the Varispeed does - as you speed it up the pitch rises commensurately. They need to be locked to each other so just using a pitch wheel - not gonna fly.
NanoSampler absolutely can do this. I've done it many times.