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Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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I don't get the right tempo after taking the appropriate actions according to the manual. The tempo is exactly half of what I expect it to be (60 bpm instead of 120). I tried deleting all beats in between the "real beats" but it all ended up in the same way. I then thought if I change the beat velocity for all beats it may result in something better. But I don't find any way to do that, that is changing them all at once, not dragging the slider of each beat - which would be very time-consuming. I guess it's probably very simple to solve it but right now I need to take a break and have something to eat.
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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Have toy tried doubling the tempo (globally)?
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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I think I've tried that, I tried a lot of things yesterday. However the soundbite tempo today when I opened the file is 120. :?

Also, when I look at the soundbite in the seq editor it gradually becomes more off beat, comparing the ruler grid with the faint blue lines representing the beats in the soundbite. But then there are parts of it where I play somewhat faster thus getting nearer the original tempo. I think the soundbite may be too long to get a proper quantization? Should I just settle with some 4 beats or so that are the most accurate ones and make a loop out of them?
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I might add that I didn't have any click during the recording. I just sat down and played my guitar assuming I could fix that later.
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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I just analyzed the soundbite tempo. Got 60.13-62.91 average 61.80. That's the weird thing, why does it become half of the tempo I play? It's as if DP doesn't recognize it in a natural way. Still the metronome click is fairly well aligned with the music when set at - I've increased it a bit - to 123.5. I have a pick-up bar in the beginning which I now have split up in a separate soundbite.
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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Ok, adjusting the sequence to the soundbite tempo made it hook up to the metronome beat. But the tempo has changed to the numbers in the soundbite tempo analysis, that is around 61 bpm. :smash:
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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One more thing. Why wasn't the sequence tempo changed for the time of the whole soundbite despite that I selected it? I very much doubt that I played the exact last measure, from 8|1|000 to 9|1|000 at exactly 62.36 bpm. As you can see there are no tempo data in measure 8.

(I undid the splitting of soundbites before changing the tempo so now there's only one, the pick-up is included. )

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For the record I also tried the Select All command to see if that would make any difference but it didn't.
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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e-snobben wrote:I might add that I didn't have any click during the recording. I just sat down and played my guitar assuming I could fix that later.
This sounds like a simple case of Recording/Adjusting Beats to me.
Just Record the Beats as close as possible following yourself... Perhaps quarter notes. You can always then Adjust any imperfections.
Depending on how accurately you tap, the whole thing should take you no longer than 1/2 hour.

This operation will give you your tempo map. If your playing was not steady then it would be reflected on it.... Perhaps you wanted that loose feel?

But if you want something steady, then I suggest you re-record with a click. There's no need to introduce unnecessary artifacts with audio tempo operations when you can do it right from the recording itself.
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Re: Tempo and Beat Velocity issue

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Thanks :) I think I will do some experimenting with recording beats. Don't think I've tried that before.

At first I just wanted to record my idea so I would remember it later. I wanted it to be as accurate as possible with as little tempo changes as possible. Therefore I recorded some measures until I was certain to have at least four bars of "perfection". Then when I started editing I began experimenting assuming I could get it all right. But now that I know how to play I guess a new recording with a click would be the best option. I've got some ideas regarding other instruments too, adding them first I think would make it easier to achieve what I want.
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