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NashvilleJoe
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DP using the Protools Native card

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Anyone running DP 8 with the ProTools PCIe Native card for the hardware outputs.

The large mixing rooms in Nashville are all ProTools ready so i would like to take my computer into a large SSL/NEVE room, pop in a PT PCIe Native Card and run my Motu DAW using the Native Card to connect to the ProTools HD converters which are all wired into these boards-

anyone doing this- ideas, thoughts- comments!!

thanks in advance
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Re: DP using the Protools Native card

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I'm still trying to find an answer to this also. You might want to keep an eye on the other thread I started:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 28#p450452
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Tripi wrote:I'm still trying to find an answer to this also. You might want to keep an eye on the other thread I started:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 28#p450452

well i think i have the answer: just got off the phone with Kurt Howell here in Nashville- he services many of the big studios. Net net.... in order to use the card it has to be installed and configured with 10HD- after that - when you open MOTU- you will have an option to choose HD hardware- everything translates over. You have no further requirement for 10- its just that you have to have some of the software components and they are only in the 10 bundle.

He did note that it is best to go back and with all the plugs/software, make sure the RTAS units are installed.

this set up makes the most sense to me- and in the future there are enough pcie expansion chassis that have a thunderbolt connector that when it comes time to dump this box- there are still options
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That's interesting, but why did he recommend having RTAS installed? I know why you would use them with PT, but can DP use them when running the the avid stuff in core audio mode? I remember there was a time you could run DP in DAE mode.... does that even exist anymore?

Anyways, I have an Omni+Native card eval unit ready for me to pick up. I'll let everyone know if I tear a hole in space time using this with DP.
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Tripi wrote:That's interesting, but why did he recommend having RTAS installed? I know why you would use them with PT, but can DP use them when running the the avid stuff in core audio mode? I remember there was a time you could run DP in DAE mode.... does that even exist anymore?

Anyways, I have an Omni+Native card eval unit ready for me to pick up. I'll let everyone know if I tear a hole in space time using this with DP.

I believe the recommendation was because PT10HD will read all the efx, bussing, files etc in the RTAS format- so in the event there are any types of issues with DP, we can boot into PT and accomplish the same thing-

in my case i am doing my mixes in a home studio and then going into a $1MM room to tweak- so i would be running all faders on the NEVE or SSL in unity gain and bussing my channels via the PTHDX converters onto those channels and doing last minute tweaks- for my particular work flow its a safety net. I did pick up a HD Native card yesterday and will install it next week with 10.3.3- will post my results next week!
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Hello,
We use DP8 w/ PT10HD native and DP uses the hardware without issue. On the other DAW we use PT10 w/ MOTU 24I/O hardware. Both run without problems except when one is running and I forget and open the other. Under that circumstance the PTHD option will no longer be present in the Audio/MIDI window. We have to restart to bring back the hardware.
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Don T wrote:Hello,
We use DP8 w/ PT10HD and DP uses the hardware without issue. On the other DAW we use PT10 w/ MOTU 24I/O hardware. Both run without problems except when one is running and I forget and open the other. Under that circumstance the PTHD option will no longer be present in the Audio/MIDI window. We have to restart to bring back the hardware.

thanks for the info- you are no doubt, a man in high demand with that experience !
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Thanks for the report. I've actually got an Omni HD+native card sitting in my studio now. Just need a chance to hook it all up and test with everything (including DP).
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In case anyone is waiting on the edge of their seat for this...... Omni HD works just fine with DP. I haven't had time to do much more than a quick test, but so far so good.
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Excellent
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SUCCESS!!

mixed at Oceanway here in Nashville using DP 8 with Native card through the Neve VR.

the particulars of the setup were minimal- i did bring my tower and swapped it into their rack.

the Native card was installed into the tower and then hooked up to 3 HDX interfaces- the Big Ben was the master driving the 3 interfaces and there was a bit of reconfiguring as they normally run the synchronizer as the master.

other than that- there is an annoying digisetupOSX preference that needs to be trashed and then the set up worked flawlessly- i believe there were 48 outputs and we mixed back into DP.

i set up my mixes at home and used their mix room for additional depth, headroom and of course the fairchild compressor !

very happy with the card and running DP on it!
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That is great news, I had a feeling it would work well.
I had problems with preferences too but I just trashed them all so I'm not sure which one or ones were causing problems.
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Re: DP using the Protools Native card

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Don T wrote:That is great news, I had a feeling it would work well.
I had problems with preferences too but I just trashed them all so I'm not sure which one or ones were causing problems.

its called DigiSetup.OSX- i have trashed it every time i swap in my HD Native card- ;)
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Re: DP using the Protools Native card

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Hey folks, glad to see dp8 is running on hd systems.
I tried installing a copy of dp7.24 on a local studio here in NJ, that is an PT HD3 system. I could never get dp to see the dae engine properly.

My goal, like a lot of you, was to be able to simply bring a hd, use their existing set up, and go to work in minutes, vs having to bring my laptop & motu rack, and patch into their patch bay.

Any suggestions on why dp 7 wasn't working right. Was it incompatible and now dp8 is, or was I doing something wrong?

I still track there from time to time and would love to get them, or this other studio I work at, to purchase dp8. I'm not leaving one of my installs on their system, lol. Didn't mind since 7 didn't have limits.

Thanks everyone!
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