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According to Apple:

Apple wrote:Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion.

I know that leaves my G5 out.
My iMac still qualifies.

BUT, I'm afraid my beloved MacBook Pro won't make it. Here are its specs:

Model Name: MacBook Pro 17"
Model Identifier: MacBookPro1,2
Processor Name: Intel Core Duo
Processor Speed: 2.16 GHz

Mine is not "Intel Core 2 Duo", but only Intel Core Duo (without the 2). Does that mean I will have to buy an new laptop to run Lion?

It seems that way, but I'd like to know for sure...

Thanks!

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Hmmmm.... now that I re-read my post, it seems like a pretty stupid question, actually...
It's so obvious!

I guess I somehow thought posting here would give me hope; that someone would tell me:
"No problem, Fernando! That little number 2 does not matter. You will be able to run Lion on your laptop".

Man, technology advances so fast! I have now 4 door-stop computers (4 Windows XP-only PCs), and an obsolete G5 and laptop. The iMac will barely make it to Lion.

Time to save for new computers... or win a computer give-away contest...

There have been those who can hack Mac installers - getting 10.4 and 10.5 to run on PPCs they weren't designed for, for example. No doubt many with Intel Core Duo machines will try to get it to work and, if successful, the information will be plastered all over the web.

It will be interesting to see if it can be done with Lion. Apple has made it a lot more difficult by not releasing an installer on DVD. It must be downloaded and will try to install immediately. This may make the old method - installing on an external hooked up to the correct hardware then using that external to boot the "incorrect" hardware then swapping drives - impossible. Either that or the old method will work like it did with the G4. We won't know till July when Lion is released.

The typical problem with having an OS running unsupported hardware is that it might not work. When I ported 10.5 to a G4 running 733/800mHz (and I did many - some still in the field), it worked fine; on a 500 mHz Dual G4, it worked but was so slow as to be useless.

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Mike, thank you for chiming in.

You inspired me to try Lion on my laptop even if it's not officially supported (I'll do this from a test clone, of course). What the heck...

Actually, I might get a Mac Pro soon. If so, when I get Lion for that one I will try it on my laptop as well. By then there will be, as you say, tons of reports about it. If the reports are encouraging, then I'll try it.

I'd certainly let you guys know how it went

Here's another question worth considering:

If one has an "older" Mac running, say Leopard or even Snow Leopard on a "non-Core 2" machine, how well will those older machines function as servers for VI's or other programs in connection with Lion?

I am guess they will work OK, but what about the software running on the VI server? Will that play well with DP and other apps running with the Lion?

We'll find out, i suppose...

We have all (PPC) once again been left farther in the dust by Apple. There is hope though with $$$$!

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Here's another question worth considering:

If one has an "older" Mac running, say Leopard or even Snow Leopard on a "non-Core 2" machine, how well will those older machines function as servers for VI's or other programs in connection with Lion?

I am guess they will work OK, but what about the software running on the VI server? Will that play well with DP and other apps running with the Lion?

That's what I am wondering about too.

As far as my G5 goes, it could handle only a handful of VI's as a server. VE Pro is not officially supported, so I don't know how well it would perform if we try to instal it in there anyway.
I know I could use it to host my (discontinued) Steinberg VI's, for instance. It still can handle the Spectrasonics stuff, but let's see how long before they stop supporting our G5 hardware or OS (Leopoard).
MOTU's VIs could be handled too for a while longer.

What else? Not much more in my case... most new VIs and plugs already do not support it (including Waves' latest version)...

If I try Lion on my laptop and behaves weirdly, then I'd probably give it to my girlfriend (so she gets rid of her Windoze laptop).

What I am amazed about is how much juice we've been able to extract out of these G5s! They really lasted for a long time, and I still get all my work done with it (thanks to the slaves). So when my G5 retires, it will do so with its head up high Even if it will end up as a door stop soon...

dosuna11 wrote:We have all (PPC) once again been left farther in the dust by Apple. There is hope though with $$$$!

This is of course inevitable. I have to say, I'm no exactly rolling in spare dough, but a year or more ago, I found a used Mac Pro 1,1 (this is the 2006 era machine-- not exactly new) for $1K and it was just ridiculous how much better it was than my dual G5. Even if you can only afford an older, used Mac Pro, it will make a big difference. I intended to have this machine only a short while as a "stop gap" until I plunked down money on the newest Mac Pro, but I soon realized that for *my needs* this machine was adequate for now and I've delayed plans to upgrade.

Thanks for the encouragement James. One more project to finish and I'm of moving out to Hooterville and going to get an Intel Mac.
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James Steele wrote:

dosuna11 wrote:We have all (PPC) once again been left farther in the dust by Apple. There is hope though with $$$$!

This is of course inevitable. I have to say, I'm no exactly rolling in spare dough, but a year or more ago, I found a used Mac Pro 1,1 (this is the 2006 era machine-- not exactly new) for $1K and it was just ridiculous how much better it was than my dual G5. Even if you can only afford an older, used Mac Pro, it will make a big difference. I intended to have this machine only a short while as a "stop gap" until I plunked down money on the newest Mac Pro, but I soon realized that for *my needs* this machine was adequate for now and I've delayed plans to upgrade.

+1 agree

I had the same problem,I had an ancient crippled G5 and not enough $$ for a new MacPro.
This past April I found a used Mac Pro(2.8 Quad 2008)w/ 24 gigs of ram for $1100!
This newer Mac run rings around my previous G5, many users are upgrading 1st and 2nd Generation MacPro's for newer ones so there are some real bargains out there.

note:the 1st generation Intel Macs supposedly will not be upgradeable to Lion but they are much more capable than PPC ever was.

>note:the 1st generation Intel Macs supposedly will not be upgradeable to Lion but they are much more capable than PPC ever was.<

That they run much cooler and quieter than any G5 is another major bonus.

OS 10.3.8 was the release that made the G5 so noisy. I had mine in for repair under AppleCare before finding out it had been done on purpose to keep those things from frying motherboards, PPC processors and hard drives.

kgdrum wrote:note:the 1st generation Intel Macs supposedly will not be upgradeable to Lion...

So it's been rumoured... And that was what I believed. But nowhere in the phrase "Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion." does it imply anything else than all Macs with Xeon processors can run Lion. And the first generation MacPros have Xeon processors... I guess we'll have to wait and see...

EDIT: did a bit research and it seems there are people running the developer preview versions of Lion successfully on first gen MacPros!

Also found this text:
10.7 does indeed boot and run on a 32-bit EFI implementation, so long as the host CPU is 64-bit compatible. This includes the MacPro1,1 system and anything based on a Core 2 Duo, but with a 32-bit EFI.
http://www.ehmac.ca/anything-mac/93724- ... 0-7-a.html

So, from the looks of it, 1st gen Intel notebooks, iMacs and Mac Minis won't be able to run Lion but 1st gen Mac Pros will. Sounds like good news to me.

We'll all know in a few weeks.

The one thing to note about the MacPro 1,1 models is ....
They use a 32bit EFI and as a result, cannot boot 64bit natively.

The good thing is that Apple's implementation allows 64bit programs to run on 32bit machines, (at least under OSX 10.6, we'll have to see how it plays out for OSX 10.7) but you'll still get some of the benefits of 64bit.

Blessings,
PhireAlly

......One More Thing........

If you plan to upgrade to Lion, you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.8 installed as it seems that that version includes the necessary files to enable Lion's installation.

As far as clean installs of Lion goes .... I'm not certain of Apple's implementation.

Blessings,
PhireAlly