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OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:25 am
by labman
Anyone know a way to put the DP ChannelStrip in a separate OSX 'space' from the actual DP mixer window?

Thanks

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:01 pm
by Shooshie
Check page 5 of the DP Tips Sheet thread, a sticky at the top of this forum.
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p199845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Shooshie

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:59 am
by labman
Shooshie wrote:Check page 5 of the DP Tips Sheet thread, a sticky at the top of this forum.
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p199845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Shooshie
Yup. Excellent stuff Shooshie. Been following it thoroughly.

Maybe I asked the orig question in a poor way. If we have the mixer window in space 1, it wont let us put the 'channelstrip' in space 2. When you look at spaces layout with all available spaces showing, the 'channelstrip' doesnt even appear as a movable window. Like it is invisible! Seems like they have to coincide in the same OSX space number.

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:34 pm
by Shooshie
I guess it has to be in the Consolidated Windows. I use the Channel Strip all the time, with the Mixer in a separate space, but my channel strip is not in its own window; it's in the CW. You might consider a simple CW with, say, the Tracks Overview and a Channel Strip. Then the Mixing Board in a separate space, and maybe edit windows in yet another space. I've been filling up 6 spaces, and thinking of adding three more! Man, it beats the royal heck out of window sets and multiple monitors. You think you're getting a lot more with multiple monitors, but our needs for screen space are so huge that it's like spitting on a campfire. Just doesn't do the trick. Spaces does the trick!

Glad to know you're getting some good out of it, and I hope the Channel Strip works for you in a CW.

Shooshie

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:35 am
by labman
Shooshie wrote:I guess it has to be in the Consolidated Windows. I use the Channel Strip all the time, with the Mixer in a separate space, but my channel strip is not in its own window; it's in the CW. You might consider a simple CW with, say, the Tracks Overview and a Channel Strip.
Shooshie
nice idea Shooshie. I appreciate the help.

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:07 pm
by outofhand
This idea of using spaces to hold a variety of windows is great, and I'm trying to use it.

However I'm hitting a problem - when I save a DP project, it doesn't remember how I previously arranged the various windows across different spaces. When I reopen a project, all the windows show up within a single space - piled on top of each other.

Am I doing something wrong? I've recently moved to DP from Logic, and the one thing about Logic I miss is the way it handles window sets.

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:33 pm
by Shooshie
DP handles window sets as well as any DAW out there. It gives you some amazing options. But the Spaces thing is a different problem. No app that I know of can remember different spaces for each individual window. But once you've tried this, it's so fantastic that you're willing to set it up each time you open a project. So, no, you're not doing anything wrong. We're just a little ahead of Apple; thats all. Until Apple makes it possible to remember spaces for each window, we'll have to accept the little bit of extra setup time.

Fortunately, there IS a shortcut. It only takes a few seconds, but you have to do it exactly as I'm about to describe or it's not a shortcut.

First of all, you must have Exposé enabled with an F-key for a convenient keystroke to reveal ALL APPS, ALL WINDOWS. The other Exposé options will not invoke the shortcut, so be sure to have this one set up. Assuming you have this done, the shortcut is a two-step one:

1) Invoke Spaces with its hot key. (for me, that's F8)
2) Invoke Exposé -- all apps, all windows (for me that's F1)

Once you've done that, you can drag the windows to each space and they will go to the last position you left them in, making it easy to get them back in position.

For pictures of each step, go to this thread:
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p199845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Really, you've got to try it the way I described it. Compare it to any other way, and you'll quickly see how easy it is to set up this way. The other ways require you to position each window after dragging it to the desired space. This method remembers where you positioned the window last time. All you have to tell it is which space to put it in, and this method makes it easy.

If I sound like I'm annoyingly repeating myself, it's because most people think they know what I'm saying, but then they do something else, and they do not realize how easy it COULD have been if they'd followed my instructions to the letter.

In fact, I'll paste in part of that post here:
  • If you use any other combination (like Spaces + Expose: current app only) you can still drag them, but you'll have to position them within the window. It's nice if that's what you want, but it's not as fast. Trust me on that: use the exact pair of commands I mentioned, and it will be quick and easy; you won't get frustrated with it.

    Here's what it will look like to set it up:
    Invoke Spaces Keyboard Command
    Invoke "Exposé: all apps, all windows" Command and drag to respective Spaces

    It's obvious that the people who designed Spaces set up these commands deliberately so that you could do this. Very handy!
Shooshie

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 1:01 pm
by outofhand
Cheers, yeah I'll give that a shot.

DP's window sets are fine, but the one thing they don't do is update themselves spontaneously so they remember how you left windows in each screenset. I might open an effect window in one window set, switch to another for a second to alter some MIDI, and then want to return to the first to continue messing with the effect. But DP's window set returns to the state it has saved... so when I return to the first window set the effect window is now closed and I need to reopen it.

It seems that DP's window sets are saved as a global preference of sorts, whereas in Logic they are saved as part of the project, and they remember state.

Re: OSX Spaces with DP mixer

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:09 pm
by Shooshie
outofhand wrote:Cheers, yeah I'll give that a shot.

DP's window sets are fine, but the one thing they don't do is update themselves spontaneously so they remember how you left windows in each screenset. I might open an effect window in one window set, switch to another for a second to alter some MIDI, and then want to return to the first to continue messing with the effect. But DP's window set returns to the state it has saved... so when I return to the first window set the effect window is now closed and I need to reopen it.

It seems that DP's window sets are saved as a global preference of sorts, whereas in Logic they are saved as part of the project, and they remember state.
DP remembers where you left the windows. A window set remembers how you saved that particular set. If it remembered where you left it, it would be no good as a window set, because you could never get back to the way you originally saved that set. DP remembers where you left it, though, and that's an exact thing every time. Window sets are meant to be ways of getting BACK to a particular configuration you like or need. If I recall correctly, they're the same in Logic.

Shooshie