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Here's the Ars Technica headline:

Nehalem Mac Pros take 20% performance hit when playing audio

and the link to the article:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/ ... -audio.ars" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyone notice issues with Nehalam Mac Pros and DP?

Yet another wacked out belief. Where do these guys come from anyway? This has been the best box I've ever had the joy to use... never an issue but some people may have issues... and they have some not related to computers also. Just another bash thread... they should just go buy a PC and really have some fun.

This does appear to be a genuine problem.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=795966" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These people have found a problem and are trying to fix it , with not much help from Apple.
What's 'whacked out' about that ?

I'm going to test my system out this evening - my Mac Pro really does pump out heat.

cxi2001 wrote:This does appear to be a genuine problem.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=795966" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These people have found a problem and are trying to fix it , with not much help from Apple.
What's 'whacked out' about that ?

I'm going to test my system out this evening - my Mac Pro really does pump out heat.

Oh, because Mac Rumors says it?
The heat is NORMAL!!!
Check this out:
The redline of a Mac Pro is 212F! If it's going to damage anything it will shut down! They are a 45 nm processor and the faster and smaller you go the more heat... big deal! Now if your box gets continuous kernel panics and shuts down you have some issues but I have 2 and they crunch all day and night for weeks on end and not a problem!! These are just bash threads...
What I don't understand is if it's a problem, why are they just starting to whine over it? 8 months later after the fact seems a bit strange to me. I bought mine when they debuted and if there was ONE problem with this machine I would have been on it! Why weren't they?
I smell a bash troll! I have an answer for them if they feel it gets too hot... go return it and get a windows box and kick rocks!

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp ... 5&tstart=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What problem you have with Macrumors is entirely up to you.
The above thread seems to quite popular too.
Of course Macs warm up - but really, just plugging in a Firewire audio device? Playing iTunes? That isn't good. And it is exactly what mine is doing.
I had a PPC G5 before this that did not chuck out this much heat whilst doing very little.
People are testing these claims pretty thoroughly and coming up with numbers that would indicate a drop in performance relating to this audio problem as well as an increase in the Mac's power consumption.

The heat is NORMAL!!!
Check this out:

Is the utility shown in your post monitoring heat and voltage or just processor load? I can't tell. Ars Technica says:

Confounding the issue even more is the fact that using audio doesn't seem to show any corresponding increase in processor load, just increases in power draw and heat.

newrigel wrote: I smell a bash troll! I have an answer for them if they feel it gets too hot... go return it and get a windows box and kick rocks!

That's exactly what I did--I switched to Win 7 x 64 via bootcamp and a new DAW app. My studio has cooled down, my computer performance has increased, and I am very productive.

BTW, I bought my Nehalem last November.

As a professional who has managed IT departments and computer networks on many platforms since the Apple II days, I find your posts condescending and far more trollish than the posts you condemn.

It's hit the media now. Let it play out. My solution works for me. If your systems are working for you, great. I will not debate it with you.

Regards,
Bill

Bill OC wrote:

newrigel wrote: I smell a bash troll! I have an answer for them if they feel it gets too hot... go return it and get a windows box and kick rocks!

That's exactly what I did--I switched to Win 7 x 64 via bootcamp and a new DAW app. My studio has cooled down, my computer performance has increased, and I am very productive.

BTW, I bought my Nehalem last November.

As a professional who has managed IT departments and computer networks on many platforms since the Apple II days, I find your posts condescending and far more trollish than the posts you condemn.

It's hit the media now. Let it play out. My solution works for me. If your systems are working for you, great. I will not debate it with you.

Regards,
Bill

OK... sorry your a bit heated he he...
Hope to hear something productive out of you then right? Now that your so productive with your new DAW and OS? Your on a Mac forum saying you use windows, using another DAW and bashing the Mac... it all makes sense now don't it everyone?

pdube wrote:

The heat is NORMAL!!!
Check this out:

Is the utility shown in your post monitoring heat and voltage or just processor load? I can't tell. Ars Technica says:

Confounding the issue even more is the fact that using audio doesn't seem to show any corresponding increase in processor load, just increases in power draw and heat.

What's is supposed to do... get cooler, use less amps under a load?

cxi2001 wrote:http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp ... 5&tstart=0

What problem you have with Macrumors is entirely up to you.
The above thread seems to quite popular too.
Of course Macs warm up - but really, just plugging in a Firewire audio device? Playing iTunes? That isn't good. And it is exactly what mine is doing.

If you have a problem with it doing that then just take it back... I know I would! I understand physics and it's just the nature of the beast... nothing to get up about.

What's is supposed to do... get cooler, use less amps under a load?

Wow. Interesting response. I think I'll just follow this issue elsewhere.

pdube wrote:

What's is supposed to do... get cooler, use less amps under a load?

Wow. Interesting response. I think I'll just follow this issue elsewhere.

Sounds great to me... I don't have an issue with it ... now we can get on to bigger and better things instead of rumors!
Bud, you have 22 post on this site and your just parroting other sites BS... get the point? Were here to help people not parrot rumors from a site that is about over-clocking and running hacked versions of OS X OK? If a computer isn't supposed to increase power consumption and heat with a process going through it, what in the hell is it supposed to do then... tell me please...

Bill OC wrote:

newrigel wrote: I smell a bash troll! I have an answer for them if they feel it gets too hot... go return it and get a windows box and kick rocks!

That's exactly what I did--I switched to Win 7 x 64 via bootcamp and a new DAW app. My studio has cooled down, my computer performance has increased, and I am very productive.

BTW, I bought my Nehalem last November.

As a professional who has managed IT departments and computer networks on many platforms since the Apple II days, I find your posts condescending and far more trollish than the posts you condemn.

It's hit the media now. Let it play out. My solution works for me. If your systems are working for you, great. I will not debate it with you.

Regards,
Bill

So you're booting your Mac with Windows and running Sonar or something? Ick... more power to ya I suppose.

I see where Newrigel is coming from though. Some of us are just getting work done and our computers are working fine. There are other folks who just love to pore over all the forums and get worked up about these issues and be alarmist. It runs warmer? So? And it doesn't affect most users apparently. People who have systems that are working and they're going about their business using them don't go to forums and post about it, hence these forums (including this one) are dominiated by those who do have problems and that gives a skewed perception of things. Heck there's one guy on here who I don't think will upgrade DP until version 10 or the version that everyone universally says is working PERFECTLY-- whichever comes first.

Some things are better left unsaid IMO. It's ironic that the 27" iMacs were found out to have definite issues and the problems are very evident when you have to look @ the issue each and every time you use the device... it's a REAL problem with the screen flickering, and the yellow discoloration etc. but a box that's DESIGNED to crunch and churn gets ranked on because it's doing what it's supposed to do? I think if someone is an IT professional (I've had my stint dealing with infrastructures) should be understanding of a piece of hardware that puts out some heat, it is just a characteristic of the design. Mac Pro's are air cooled and if you really want to see some heat cranked out from a box, go look @ some of the windows boxes that have a car radiator hanging off them! Now IMO, that seems like an engineering flaw to have to liquid cool a processor! But you don't see threads and rants about that. A Mac Pro is air cooled and if the heat was any real problem then Apple would have made the right accommodations to fix it... they know what they're doing I'll assure you.
The BTU's coming off my body during a performance make this MP look like an A/C unit so there's other heat issues in my studio that's for sure! It's all about nit picking and whining to get a new box out of Apple and I laugh at it because if I purchased a piece of HW and I didn't like it, I would just take it back instead of whine and cry about something that isn't actually happening to everyone... I have news for the guy who supposedly came up with a fix... go design your own computer then and move on with life... hopefully, you'll understand that you can't, and won't make everyone happy regardless what you do...

James Steele wrote: So you're booting your Mac with Windows and running Sonar or something? Ick... more power to ya I suppose.

I see where Newrigel is coming from though. Some of us are just getting work done and our computers are working fine. There are other folks who just love to pore over all the forums and get worked up about these issues and be alarmist. It runs warmer? So? And it doesn't affect most users apparently. People who have systems that are working and they're going about their business using them don't go to forums and post about it, hence these forums (including this one) are dominiated by those who do have problems and that gives a skewed perception of things. Heck there's one guy on here who I don't think will upgrade DP until version 10 or the version that everyone universally says is working PERFECTLY-- whichever comes first.

You are running a G5, for heaven's sake, James. If you had just shelled out several thousand bucks for a new Nehalem Mac Pro and saw the temperature spike 20C, just for turning on a firewire device, you might think differently.

As for the "alarmist" and "some people" insinuations, that's just boilerplate Mac pom-pom stuff--and it strikes me as belittling.

I am not a Mac basher. (Jeez, I was the liaison with Apple Computer for a major Apple OEM several years before the Mac the was even born.) And I certainly am not a DP basher.

And what's with the "Ick" when it comes to a competing program? So now your are a Sonar expert, or a Nuendo expert?

I know you have busted your butt for DP and this group, and I appreciate it. But, please, don't give me that "some people just do their work and don't complain about everything" stuff. Go out a buy a Nehalem, James--then we'll talk.

As for newrigel, rather than giving the response he or she deserves, I will obey the TOS of this group.

Regards and best of luck in the future,
Bill