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From Digidesign "EOSS (End of Software Support) Announcements" web page (http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?nav ... emid=39675):

"Pro Tools 8.0.1 software (released August 31, 2009) will be the last version of Pro Tools to support the following products:

* Original Mbox
* Expansion|HD Chassis
* Macintosh PowerPC Computers
* Logic Audio and Digital Performer in DAE mode with Pro Tools|HD"


And from their "Digital Performer in DAE mode with Pro Tools|HD" related web page (http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?nav ... emid=40592):

"Avid end of support announcement: Logic Audio and Digital Performer in DAE mode with Pro Tools|HD

Pro Tools HD 8.0.3 Software (released December 15, 2009) and future versions will no longer support Apple's Logic Audio or Motu's Digital Performer running in DAE mode. Users of both applications can still take advantage of Pro Tools CoreAudio drivers and use the Pro Tools|HD system as a hardware I/O.

Pro Tools HD 8.0.1 Software will continue to be made available in its current form to Avid and Apple customers who are using Logic Audio or Digital Performer in DAE mode for the foreseeable future. Additionally, product and support documentation will continue to be maintained on the Support Section of the website."


Sad but true!
And I just upgraded to both DP7 and PT8HD mostly because of MOTU statement on DP7 related page "Pro Tools|HD Support" (http://www.motu.com/products/software/dp/pro-tools.html)...

sorry but I wont miss it -

The boxes are so fast now you don't need the HD Eccel farm cards... plus, with UAD and all the other solutions available, your not locked into someone reaching into your pockets constantly and you have way more flexibility. They were the only real production tool a while back but like I said... the computers are getting so fast you don't and won't need any other hardware.
Myself, I think it's great that they are loosing their choke hold on the market.
PT's reminds me of a hyped up boy band he he... TREND!

newrigel wrote:The boxes are so fast now you don't need the HD Eccel farm cards... plus, with UAD and all the other solutions available, your not locked into someone reaching into your pockets constantly and you have way more flexibility. They were the only real production tool a while back but like I said... the computers are getting so fast you don't and won't need any other hardware.
Myself, I think it's great that they are loosing their choke hold on the market.
PT's reminds me of a hyped up boy band he he... TREND!

+1 for sure. Never really bought into PT anyway. Always gave me the impression they didn't need me but I needed them to be a pro. Not so anymore.

Bye Bye, won't miss you either.

I guess it´s a pity that we, as DP users, loose one of its capabilities.
Having said that, I won´t miss it.

newrigel wrote:Myself, I think it's great that they are loosing their choke hold on the market.

GREAAAT, sorry to be so clear, I´m more of the "live and let live" kind, but I´m sick and tired of giving explanations about "my DAW not being PT", although I enjoy the part where they end up asking "so why do they use PT then?" I never answer that part, each one has his reasons, some being unrefusable, but for 90% of the work that´s done around here there´s not one I´m buying into.

newrigel wrote:PT's reminds me of a hyped up boy band he he... TREND!

Funny thing is maybe they killed themselves by trying to be the "one and only", I mean, if they hadn´t sold a trillion PT LEs to every young man with musical hobbies, maybe they could have retained the old tag:
"super-PRO-soft/hard-solution-that-you-can-only-afford-if-you-have-tons-of-well-paid work-for-the-next-few-years-and-then-what?"
Now, answer this: how many producers can actually tell the difference between HD and LE? Very few, I´d say.
Now they are all thinking why is a medium to big facility so expensive if his cousin has PT in his bedroom. Now PT is not "exclusive" anymore. And having PT will not be a usable reason in negotiations, never mind track counts.
And for a while it hasn´t been necessary either, at least in most of the workflows.
Anybody noticed that Digidesign is not one of my favorite enterprises?
(I have to admit though, all the tech riders for gigs I´ve written this year I´ve asked for a Digi Venue console, I´m addicted, they sound veryvery good, as good as Digico and only worse than MIDAS digital AFAIH (H for heard), and they are VERY fast to manipulate and configure. I´ve felt contradictions, but they are my live choice right now)

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Hmmmmm.... it's almost as if they had begun digging their own grave. Well, at least preparing it.

With the current trend of super fast computers, great native solutions, etc., I wonder how much longer they will be in business?
Maybe they will be around for still a long time, but their supremacy days are essentially over.

It must be getting dark for them. It's already like 17:30 in their world.

I won't miss them either!

The giants continue to fall...

ProTools is like the Windoze of the music hardware/software world, in that, they may be far from the best, but they have the advantage of being first (and, subsequently, everywhere). When Joe Average is pressed to name a DAW, he'll invariably say "ProTools", if he says anything at all. However, just like Windoze, people are fed up by the price tag and the limitations, and the competition is catching up. Personally, I think this is a huge shot in the foot for Digidesign, considering how many people use DP as a MIDI front end for ProTools (and how many people may subsequently be spurred into deciding to shed PT and just use DP for everything). Other than the advantage of being able to take your project files to a PT-equipped studio and knowing it will open without difficulty (maybe), there isn't a lot of pros involved in dropping that kind of dough for a system whose end results are virtually indistinguishable from, say, DP running on a regular old Mac with a decent interface.

As for me, I try and look at it all in terms of the old analog days: most studios had different consoles, multi-track tapes machines and outboard gear, and yet, were capable of coming up with the same professional results (albeit with character exclusive to their rigs).

A long time friend, road buddy and engineer/studio owner in Austin had upgraded to PT 8 recently and through my diligence and brow beatings, I convinced him to bring in DP to his room because almost all i knew in the film scoring world were using it as a front end to PT (DAE). When he just got this info in this thread (when i "shared" it with him), He has decided to dump PT HD completely in favor of Nuendo/RME/Avalon/NEVE console system and keep DP 7.02 as the MIDI engine of choice in the room.

He had been a loyal Digi user since the late 90's and always gave me crap because I wouldn't buy into the hype and trend to the "only one" that could ever be considered a "pro" DAW. Then he started reading about Nuendo and the better latency with a custom PC. With 2 UAD-2 cards, a NEVE 8038, Avalon Pre's, among other copious amounts of plugs and outboard gear, he has a room that defies Pro Tools. And for a whole lot less $$$.

Now if i could just convince him to get out of a PC/windoze world.

newrigel wrote:The boxes are so fast now you don't need the HD Eccel farm cards... plus, with UAD and all the other solutions available, your not locked into someone reaching into your pockets constantly and you have way more flexibility. They were the only real production tool a while back but like I said... the computers are getting so fast you don't and won't need any other hardware.
Myself, I think it's great that they are losing their choke hold on the market.
PT's reminds me of a hyped up boy band he he... TREND!

Once again, you only have half the scoop. PT HD Accel cards not only do dsp they also figure into the track counts and audio I/O. You can bypass the dsp on the cards in favor of running RTAS but you still need the cards to do your I/O. Of course, if you want to even bypass that you can use PT LE but you lose being able to get a lot of I/O and you lose auto delay compensation. Then you would have to use a third party utility called ATA Mellowmuse for ADC.

newrigel wrote:The boxes are so fast now you don't need the HD Eccel farm cards... plus, with UAD and all the other solutions available, your not locked into someone reaching into your pockets constantly and you have way more flexibility. They were the only real production tool a while back but like I said... the computers are getting so fast you don't and won't need any other hardware.
Myself, I think it's great that they are loosing their choke hold on the market.
PT's reminds me of a hyped up boy band he he... TREND!

I was saying this in the year 2000. It was obvious where things were headed, but I received a lot of tongue clucking and head shaking as in "that boy's gone off his rocker," for thinking as I did. It was basically possible to match PT's quality in DP even in 2000, but was much harder to do. Now that it's obvious that PT is not worth the kind of bucks they charged in the 1990's, my words are vindicated, but it's really nothing new. Digidesign surely saw the same handwriting on the wall that I saw, even back in 1999/2000 when the first G4 processors hit the streets. Look how far we've come since then. I can't say that there is no value in Pro Tools, but it certainly is not the be-all/end-all that people once thought of it.

I'm just wondering if it's because they're going to do something else and not have DAE in it's current form anymore. It's about new hardware time and I can't imagine them just putting out a new version of what they have been.

bb

I started on Protools when it was called SoundTools..
I'm glad it was there when i needed it.
Things change and Digi made the choice not to change (enough)
with them.
I won't join the "let's bash Digi parade" but I also don't feel
sorry for them.

Well, I for one am sad to see it go.
I've been with MOTU a bit longer than Digi but love them both and the opportunity to run DP under my DAE set up has always been a bonus.
Granted it's been a bonus that has rarely worked as advertised.......

TheHopiWay wrote:Well, I for one am sad to see it go.
I've been with MOTU a bit longer than Digi but love them both and the opportunity to run DP under my DAE set up has always been a bonus.
Granted it's been a bonus that has rarely worked as advertised.......

That's the irony behind it... •••• all their DAE users and use PT's only. There they go with that lock-you-in-••••! This is where they blow it. FWIW, I think DP gets bashed more than PT's does... and for NO apparent, or logically supported reasons.