More DP speculation

csiaudio · Post by **csiaudio** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:11 pm

Possibly this is just my opinion however it seems that DP is falling behind in the DAW software evolution. Pretty much most all DAW programs have come out with some VERY cool features, refinements and plugin's that sound incredible. Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools (to a degree) and many others have had some innovative modifications to their programs. DP's plugs are VERY weak in my opinion and basically I rarely use any of them. Possibly MOTU is going to come out with something really exciting but the 5.x upgrade surely didn't make me break out my wallet.

Any thoughts on this...and I am sure some of you will flame me so...flame away!

rcannonp · Post by **rcannonp** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:03 pm

csiaudio wrote:Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools (to a degree) and many others have had some innovative modifications to their programs.

Like what(besides contextual menus)?

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:32 pm

The plugins are useable, the editing tools (still) blow Logic out of the water,
and stands up very well to Protools, Polar is still an awesome loop tool,
Real time track based pitch shifting is very well implemented,
There's some cool little editing features for ambient audio, that are
amazing to me, the built in instruments are fine as a start, beat slicing
in DP is great, and on and on, and on...Start digging into the program
a bit more before you start commenting on it.
As a side note, if you can't get use able/professional results from the built
in plugs..well...

mugtorte · Post by **mugtorte** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:43 pm

a poor craftsman....blames his tools!

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:35 pm

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

-- Mark Twain

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wurliuchi · Post by **wurliuchi** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:39 pm

I like tuna fish more than chicken salad. Do you care?

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:46 pm

Yeah-- it's probably healthier to compare DP to DP than it is to compare it to other apps. There's something on the market for people of different tastes, but that shouldn't mean that DP has to become more like another app. I would sooner like to see DP become a better DP.

As for plugins, they're like pencils. You can write a masterpiece with the simplest or smallest pencil. If you need a better pencil, there are plenty of them on the market in every shape, size, qualtiy, and color with an equal variety of price points. But substance is quite apart from media.

Most DAWs give you plenty to at least get you started in all aspects of production. How different people feel about the functionality and caliber of what's bundled remains entirely a matter of personal taste.

The most important thing, imho, is how user friendly the host is to your way of thinking. I like the way DP is laid out, but I've opted to augment DP with a handful of plugins that fit the needs of the projects I have to do.

I don't think DP is being left in the dust. No DAW is flawless and not every DAW suits everyone's needs. The release of new versions of other DAWs may have inspired people to ask about MOTU's next step for DP with greater curiosity than usual, but DP being left in the dust? I don't personally think that's the case at the moment.

HeadMaster · Post by **HeadMaster** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:52 pm

DP is just good as it is, it does not need any bling bling to appeal to the users.

But I agree, contextual menus to the people!

. . .
HM

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:59 pm

Geez... here we go again. Any number of threads you could join to engage in this. Either way this goes in the theoretical debate forum, unless I decide to create a "Why DP is getting left in the dust - General Handwringing" forum just for these posts.

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:02 pm

With the release of Leopard coming soon, I wonder how much DP will change in the next major (Leopard compatible) release. I'm guessing DP 5.12 will run under Leopard, but I'm also speculating that a DP major release will follow. Wadiya all think? (64 bit?)

Phil

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:08 pm

Phil O wrote:With the release of Leopard coming soon, I wonder how much DP will change in the next major (Leopard compatible) release. I'm guessing DP 5.12 will run under Leopard, but I'm speculating that a DP major release will follow. Wadiya all think?

Phil

Could be, Phil.

My guesses are that general compatibility issues might have to be addressed should 5.12 encounter any Leopard hurdles running in 32-bit mode. I think we may have to wait on 64-bit threading, but then there've been no shortage of surprises lately. I hesitate to venture guesses more major than these, though.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:22 pm

My guess is that the next release might be something just to assure Leopard compatibility and they'll save any big news for NAMM to get the most publicity for it. Be silly to release something big just a few months before NAMM.

As for Leopard, I really want to lust for it and preorder, but looking at the new features of Leopard, I'm still searching for something really compelling in terms of an improvement to my DAW experience. The animated thing where the files flip by like album covers or whatever is cute, but honestly seems like so much silly fluff. Yeah... let's bloat the OS with stupid stuff to wow the kids.

I wish they'd make an OS X Pro or something that was lean and mean and had all the frills cut out of it and ran 20% more efficient or whatever. Would be wonderful if there could devise an installer that could install a minimum OS or something that would be just enough to run a DAW, etc.

I hate seeing all this OS bloat. It seems these days they gotta heap on the sexy, sci-fi features that 90 percent of us are going to go look at once or twice and go "Cool" and maybe show our friends, and then NEVER revist again. I hate the tendency to install everything under the sun... every printer driver known to man... languages, etc. I know if you're careful you can turn this off, but honestly I don't need Chinese, Korean, etc. languages installed "by default."

Sorry for the rant. I miss compact OS's.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:23 pm

By the way... I AM going to scour Apple's hype right now and try and find a reason for not sticking with Tiger, but I haven't found it on first quick skimming of the highlights.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:53 pm

csiaudio wrote:Possibly this is just my opinion however it seems that DP is falling behind in the DAW software evolution. Pretty much most all DAW programs have come out with some VERY cool features, refinements and plugin's that sound incredible. Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools (to a degree) and many others have had some innovative modifications to their programs. DP's plugs are VERY weak in my opinion and basically I rarely use any of them. Possibly MOTU is going to come out with something really exciting but the 5.x upgrade surely didn't make me break out my wallet.

Any thoughts on this...and I am sure some of you will flame me so...flame away!

No, it's not about flaming. It's about experience. When you've done this for a living for a long time, there are certain things you look for in a DAW. I was surprised to find that Logic is actually behind on some of those things, and DP is quite a bit out in front. You have less experience, and are more easily swayed by "cool features." I've seen cars with cool features that I wouldn't want to take a road trip in.

Also, DP is apparently hard for people to learn deeply. There are lots of work-arounds and little tricks that keep it running for most people, but you don't learn those overnight, and they're not all in the manual. No, that's not a good thing, but we try to make up for it here by giving the secrets away for free.

So, go enjoy Logic. I've got it, and I love it. But I wouldn't want to take a road trip in it.

Shooshie

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:07 pm

James Steele wrote:I wish they'd make an OS X Pro or something that was lean and mean and had all the frills cut out of it and ran 20% more efficient or whatever. Would be wonderful if there could devise an installer that could install a minimum OS or something that would be just enough to run a DAW, etc.

I hate seeing all this OS bloat....

Indeed. The minimum RAM listed for Tiger is 128MB. Leopard is showing 512MB.

Beneath the sea of cosmetics, I'm hoping that some of the mysterious quirks I've seen in Tiger where some system settings reset themselves for no apparent reason will be fixed-- like defaulting back to Built-In audio on boot or the way UNIX can get stubborn with file references and not refresh themselves when restarted after those preferences have been changed.

I've also wondered about the Apple Hardware Test. Some people swear by it while others hint that the results can't always be trusted. Maybe I'm looking for more concrete info as well. Same thing with Disk Utility. It's obviously great for some things, but it also has me wondering why third-party utilities have proven to be so vital and are able to fix what Apple's own utility might not.

Yes, an OS on a diet. I like that idea. I've been finding all sorts of things on my computer-- some of the items have never been opened. I just discovered Apple Automater this week! This stands out because it's such a clever little thing. But I've yet to find a use for things like OmniOutliner or OmniGraffle even if I understand their purpose.

But it does sort of feel like just another item to potentially get in the way of DAW functionality or at least take up HD space.

MOTUnation.com

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