IR Reverb

Sarcazm · Post by **Sarcazm** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:46 pm

Any ideas if there's a way to use custom IRs?

I'd love to able to use bass cabinets for some of the basses.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:15 pm

What app or plugin are you using?

Sarcazm · Post by **Sarcazm** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:02 pm

I'm referring to the IR Reverb that comes with M52.

I have another one that (zefir) I can use outside of M5, but it would be more convenient to be able to include it in the internal chain so that I can use M5's eq/compressor post cabinet.

There are also tonnes of IRs out there that it would be cool to use within M5 if possible

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:40 pm

So far, I have not seen a way to do that. The FX directory does not allow for Finder browsing like the sample directories do. It does divide, however, between "Factory" and "User" presets. So, I checked to see if saving my own effects setups in the FX menu would store a file somewhere with a certain extension we might copy. It stores those files as .fxm, and puts user-made files in one of two folders:

User/Documents/MOTU/MachFive2/User Presets/FX
User/Documents/MOTU/MachFive2/User Presets/MultiFX

So, just for a lark I tried placing an IR from Altiverb in that user folder. In MachFive2 I opened an FX dialog, selected the file I placed in that folder, clicked OK, and MachFive2 suddenly disappeared (as in crashed). So, if we can make our own effects, there's more to it than THAT!

Perhaps there is a way, but I have not found it yet, other than saving derivatives of those effects you can open from the Factory FX presets folders.

I hope that's not the end of the story, but it's not a promising 1st chapter. At least, however, it shows us that the files it accesses are stored in a user-accessible location, so if we ever figure out how to make FX from our own files, MachFive2 will at least attempt to open them.

Like you, I have tons of IRs which would be nice to use if I could figure out how. I have a feeling, however, that MachFive2's FX format is proprietary.

Shooshie

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:32 pm

It would be nice to create IRs in M5. How universal would *that* be?

3rdpath · Post by **3rdpath** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:10 pm

one thing i've noticed is the m5 IR hits my cpu way harder than altiverb.

altiverb adds about 10% to the cpu...vs m5's 50% hit.

bjornln · Post by **bjornln** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:20 am

3rdpath wrote:one thing i've noticed is the m5 IR hits my cpu way harder than altiverb.

altiverb adds about 10% to the cpu...vs m5's 50% hit.

Is the IR's about the same length ?
If not..
I guess that has something to do with it..

If it is the same length.. M5 displays a bit of hog'ishness...

/B

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:11 am

Yes, the IR in MachFive2 is definitely a hog. Also, I've noticed that turning off parts does NOT turn off their resources and make them transparent to the CPU. My CPU actually is showing no signs of struggle, riding at about 10% per processor, but M5.2, when dealing with lots of layers in each instrument, starts bogging down and skipping when I play in lots of 10-finger density with 6 or 7 instruments open (and IR Reverb), even if only one of those instruments is not muted. I can physically change the others' MIDI channel, and it all becomes fine. But even when muted, those live MIDI channel tracks are drawing heavily from the CPU in some way I don't completely understand, since my CPU is not struggling with it at all.

Shooshie

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:30 am

Frodo wrote:It would be nice to create IRs in M5. How universal would *that* be?

That'd be... more universal?

I agree that a set of foolproof-method choices here would help Machy stand out from the crowd even more, and possibly start a feature trend.
Perhaps, once MOTU implements DP's IR 'verb one day soon (I hope), it'll lead to our beloved app's boasting some new-fangled IR creation algorithms.

Sarcazm · Post by **Sarcazm** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:11 pm

Had a reply from Motu who say that there is no way to use custom IR's in M5. No indication that there will be a way in the future either.

Too bad. Wonder if anyone who can read hex could come up with a small tool.....?

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:41 am

Sarcazm wrote:Had a reply from Motu who say that there is no way to use custom IR's in M5. No indication that there will be a way in the future either.
Too bad. Wonder if anyone who can read hex could come up with a small tool.....?

Well, if Frodo continues apace along the geek path he's on, he'd be a distinct possibility, no?

jloeb · Post by **jloeb** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:51 pm

Sarcazm wrote:Had a reply from Motu who say that there is no way to use custom IR's in M5. No indication that there will be a way in the future either.

Too bad. Wonder if anyone who can read hex could come up with a small tool.....?

I'm just reacting off the cuff here, so take it for what it's worth, but that really pisses me off. I was afraid that was the case but i hadn't checked. What a stupid, backward-looking design decision. Native Instruments is all over the semi-open platform thing, with K2 letting you just drop any IR into its convolution verb; they've got a whole farm of users making KSP scripts for K2 which are free or for sale; they've got another whole farm of users making synths for Reaktor which are free and some of which would be worth paying for; and all of these are value-multipliers for their users. Meanwhile, MOTU comes out with a major release of its "universal" flagship sampler and everything is sealed tight as a drum? I just don't get it. This is 90's-think, people.

Argh. Rant over, but I just do not like the philosophy i'm seeing from MOTU & partners in this respect.

bjornln · Post by **bjornln** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:07 pm

jloeb wrote: This is 90's-think, people.

Wow I have just travelled back in time... just yesterday I remember it was 2007 and now it's the 90's..

/B

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:54 am

Well, you can always use your favorite reverb plugin right after MachFive2 in DP. But for standalone, I guess we're stuck with whatever they gave us.

Shooshie

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:19 am

Shooshie wrote:...I guess we're stuck with whatever they gave us.
Shooshie

Yeah, the ol' E-E-E-E-E-E-H-H-H-H-H-H-?-?-?-?-?-? verb.

Speaking of IRs, I dug up the library I created whilst testing the Altiverb demo a few years back.
Unfortunately, all the backup disks contain numerous "Unix Executable Files", according to the Finder.
Some of the library's also become "Plain text documents".
They're supposed to be SD2s, and my favourites (from what I can remember) are amongst them.

Short of hunting them down and downloading them again, which is nearly impossible given that I'd reconfigured all of them so as to have all mono, stereo and quad permutations possible available as presets, I'm at a loss as to what to try next.
I've already run Cocktail, YASU and MainMenu's appropriate tasks and experimented with "open with" settings.
The Altiverb plug cannot be assigned as an "open with" application, 'cause the finder doesn't see it as such.
Dragging the files into DP's soundbites window doesn't work.
Whilst I haven't actually heard the results, a brief test of that old demo confirmed that the Unix files at least do appear to load.
EDIT: Silly ape. This is not the case, and yes, your favourite files were amongst them.
Wassup wit' dis, propellor-head 'Cornies?

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