New Logic - DP & ProTools Killer?

[dougieb]

I haven't seen anything on Unicornation about this, but other boards are buzzing about a new version of Logic - which isn't called logic anymore, but Soundtrack Pro X or something like that.

This is supposed to be a ground-up successor to Logic and Soundtrack Pro and supposedly designed to be a ProTools killer, etc. (yawn).

Hopefully, Apple might adopt their own GUI conventions in this new product rather than the previous quasi-navigable Logic/Emagic method of choosing placement of UI, features, etc. using a monkey and a dartboard with names of drop down menus on it. (all apologies to monkeys). It still blows my mind that in Logic 7.2, in order to get to some of the seriously basic functions, you have to first assign a key to them (LOL... seriously - there is no other way!)

Logicheads are also lamenting the supposed phase out of their beloved "environment" page which is ironically the first thing they bring up when you mention ProTools or DP (LOL).

BUT THE REALLY INTERESTING THING IS... and this is the thing that really has me thinking since Apple does like to shock and awe occasionally... The buzz is that the new program will work only with new Apple monitors to be announced at WWDC using technology licensed from JazzMutant shown here:

You might want to get a towel to catch the drool before viewing...
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4542

Anyone heard anything else about this?

This is also salivation worthy, but has been around a while... this is a new version though
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4547

http://www.jazzmutant.com/news.php

[billf]

I haven't seen anything on Unicornation about this, but other boards are buzzing about a new version of Logic - which isn't called logic anymore, but Soundtrack Pro X or something like that.

This is supposed to be a ground-up successor to Logic and Soundtrack Pro and supposedly designed to be a ProTools killer, etc. (yawn).

Hopefully, Apple might adopt their own GUI conventions in this new product rather than the previous quasi-navigable Logic/Emagic method of choosing placement of UI, features, etc. using a monkey and a dartboard with names of drop down menus on it. (all apologies to monkeys). It still blows my mind that in Logic 7.2, in order to get to some of the seriously basic functions, you have to first assign a key to them (LOL... seriously - there is no other way!)

Logicheads are also lamenting the supposed phase out of their beloved "environment" page which is ironically the first thing they bring up when you mention ProTools or DP (LOL).

BUT THE REALLY INTERESTING THING IS... and this is the thing that really has me thinking since Apple does like to shock and awe occasionally... The buzz is that the new program will work only with new Apple monitors to be announced at WWDC using technology licensed from JazzMutant shown here:

You might want to get a towel to catch the drool before viewing...
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4542

Anyone heard anything else about this?

This is also salivation worthy, but has been around a while... this is a new version though
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4547

http://www.jazzmutant.com/news.php

The original rumor started here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools

Believe what you want.

[jgest]

It started buzzing around the abelton forum a while back......
For the little guy like me, who has no emotional or financial vested interest beyond my own delusional musical asperations, I don't really even care what happens to logic or pro-tools. As long as DP works, I am ok.
When the day comes that DP is no longer, then I guess I'll be forced to participate in that relm.
In a sadistic way, I'd love to see pro-tools loose it's grip. That's a victory for the common man/musician

[Shooshie]

I have Soundtrack. It's an interesting app. Far better than Garageband, I find the layout to be pretty intuitive, and not too hard to learn. But I'm a beginner with it. I was hoping I could use it for my final bounces, so that I could use my new Waves MultiMaximizer with it. But the Multimaximizer crashes any application that tries to open it -- instantly. Digital Performer won't even let it through the AU exam. So, I've got a very expensive piece of junk right now. Actually, more correctly stated, I've got a very expensive authorization on my iLok, and no working software for it to authorize. But I digress. The point is that Soundtrack is a pretty interesting application, and I want to know it better. I like the way it handles plugins and tracks. Of course, my DAW will for the foreseeable future remain DP, but that doesn't prevent me from using others for various purposes. Logic is not one I plan to get, though. Maybe this new "Logic Killer" will be the "one" some day.

Hey, maybe they'll call it "KillerLogic."

Shooshie

PS: the little move about Lemur/Dexter and the multi-touch monitor was predictable, having seen some amazing demos of the multi-touch monitors in the past year. It does look like fun, though. I don't like the idea of having to use a control surface that lays horizontal. I don't know, maybe I'll figure out a place for it, or a fold-down mount for it. I like my controls floating above or around my MIDI keyboard, the way my current QWERTY and trackball do.

[larryf]

It only makes sense that Apple would eventually leverage the purchase of Logic to come out with the DAW killer app. Who didn't expect this when Apple bought Logic? That day, I remember thinking I would happily kick in $25 if Apple would buy DP instead. Hopefully, there'll continue to be room in the Apple-based DAW market for DP. Like everyone else I would manage to transition to Logic if I had to, but nobody has DP's rich and deep MIDI features, especially Logic.

[dpdan]

I can't imagine how bad my arm would hurt holding it over a screen all day, I'm sorry but how stupid!

DP is king!

Dan

[martian]

Dunno I think it might be allright... I use a wacom tablet and I think I'd be quite happy looking down onto it if it had picture... Bit like reading a book

multi touch would be great - but they'd have to figure out a way of integrating the k/b cos key strokes are essential...

going to check out this new sound track - i hardly use MIDI .....

[Shooshie]

I can't imagine how bad my arm would hurt holding it over a screen all day, I'm sorry but how stupid!

DP is king!

Dan

Yeah, it kinda reminds me of ironing clothes for a living. Hey, are we being luddites, or are we right? My very thought was "that looks tiring!" What if they build it, and nobody comes?


Shooshie

[blue]

Hey, are we being luddites, or are we right?

Did you ever think you'd be mixing with a mouse?

I think there is something very appealing about using a tactile surface that incorporates a broader range of movement rather than tiny, repetitive hand gestures. To me, this looks like a perfect marriage of the future with the past. It's intuitive and hands on (literally), yet functional in all the ways we have become accustomed.

The thing is, it can and will get a lot better than this.

[Shooshie]

Those faders in that vid looked huge. Like double the length of real faders on a major manufacturer's mixing board. It looked like a lot of exaggerated movement.

Mixing with a mouse? No. Never thought I would... until I saw DP. But I use a trackball, which requires even less motion than a mouse, and gives the feel of even higher resolution. I use a tablet for anything that requires real precision, though. Drawing CC data curves, for instance.

I don't know the answer. I'll know after I try one of those new-fangled monitor-boards.

Shooshie

[monkey man]

Hopefully, Apple might adopt their own GUI conventions in this new product rather than the previous quasi-navigable Logic/Emagic method of choosing placement of UI, features, etc. using a monkey and a dartboard with names of drop down menus on it.....

If that's the method whereby I've gotta hold a dart in my mouth whilst they throw the board at me, they can forget about it.
I told all my buddies about it too; recruitment for the next round will prove difficult for Apple.

(all apologies to monkeys).

I hear ya. Monkey rights are headin' south.

Thanks for the info, dougieb.

[monkey man]

It started buzzing around the abelton forum a while back......
For the little guy like me, who has no emotional or financial vested interest beyond my own delusional musical asperations, I don't really even care what happens to logic or pro-tools. As long as DP works, I am ok.

Same here.

When the day comes that DP is no longer, then I guess I'll be forced to participate in that relm.

Perish the thought.

In a sadistic way, I'd love to see pro-tools loose it's grip. That's a victory for the common man/musician

Y-y-y-e-e-e-s-s-s-!-!-!

[kelldammit]

the one thing that touchscreens won't give you is tactile feedback. i'm bad enough at accidentally hitting stuff with just the mouse...
i would hope that a touch screen wouldn't be a necessity, but a nice option if one chose to go that route.

[emulatorloo]

Hopefully, Apple might adopt their own GUI conventions in this new product

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The buzz is that the new program will work only with new Apple monitors to be announced at WWDC

I was a logic user when Apple bought emagic, and was thrilled, thinking Apple could really make it a usable program rather than a crazy hodgepodge of atariST and MSwindow UI conventions.

Sadly nothing much happened in that direction.

Soundtrack Pro is a great program to use, so yeah, a combination of Logic and Soundtrack would be damn good.

I doubt however that Apple would tie it to these monitors -- I think that would really be a no go from a marketing perspective. people are going to be damn resistant about

**BEING REQUIRED** to buy a monitor to run a sequencer.

However, I can imagine that it would work very well w these monitors -- there will be magic features that only work w the monitors, and that their marketing dept will work very hard to make users

**WANT** to buy these monitors.

At any rate it will be fun to see what happens.

As far as "killing" dp and PT -- dunno, I will believe it when I see it. Dp had been "killed" so many times by rumors/reports it is starting to look as "dead" as Apple.

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[James Steele]

Mixing with a mouse? No. Never thought I would... until I saw DP. But I use a trackball, which requires even less motion than a mouse, and gives the feel of even higher resolution.

I bought an AlphaTrack recently and am really liking that. I do all the fine adjustments now just by clicking on a track and then using the fader on AT. Although I really, really wish they clicking on a mixing window track could activate that track on AT or other controller.