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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Here's the thing, are your other files (assuming you have files that are not DP files on your machine... ) from other apps now showing their nasty extensions? I would imagine that's the case and is, of course, easily fixable in the FINDER preferences. In fact, it's the first option in the ADVANCED pane. I also have it off as a default and Sierra didn't change that. I have yet to install D( 9.13 and probably yawn's until I premiere the current project in late May. I will certainly watch to see if that changes on my machine. I doubt it will, but if it does, that DP is doing something to the system. Again, I doubt that, but one never knows, do one?

I have a few programs where the extensions kind of always showed up (Final Draft's ".fdr"/".fdx", Adobe's various extensions, Pro Tools, ".doc" files, etc.) -- I assume this was because these files were designed to be opened in the same program on different OS's -- but this is the first time I've ever seen it with DP. Stranger was the fact that DP 9.13 didn't recognize these files as being DP project files until I manually typed in the ".dpdoc" extension. I didn't check when I upgraded to Sierra whether the extension showed up at that point, but previous to upgrading both my OS and DP 9, the extensions were not there as of El Capitan and DP v9.0.1 and I could open up DP project files all day long. DP 9.0.1 also wasn't saving files with that extension.

First thing I noticed after upgrading DP and trying to open a project file was that all my DP project files were suddenly showing up as "UNIX Executable" files, which is what happens when the system doesn't recognize the file type and doesn't know what to open it with. I probably could have gone into "Get Info" and tried assigning my project files to DP that way, which may have saved me some typing. It was just very weird that it did that -- definitely not a deal-breaker, by any means. At least it was easily resolvable.

cuttime wrote:VI processing seems more efficient, too.

That's exactly what I thought, too, glad it wasn't just me being subjective. They definitely tweaked a few things under the hood -- stuff seems to load and play a lot faster than even in 9.0.1.

Just spent a day with 9.13 on my main music Mac (2010 QuadCore Mac Pro, running OSX 10.10.5, 32 GB of RAM).

Sad to report, there is absolutley no improvement in efficiency vs. 9.02. And just like on 9.02, performance is better at higher buffer settings. Track at 256 with a VI, record straight audio at 512, mix at 1024.

I'd have to say performance is probably worse in 9.13. For one thing, even at a setting of 512 buffer, as soon as multiple instances of CPU-hungry plugs (like Amplitube 4) start processing audio, the processor bar spikes all the way to the red, then "settles back down". This is exactly how 9.12 behaved on my machine, which is why I went back to 9.02.

I can't even go to a buffer of 128 for tracking...complete processor overload, DP just grinds to a halt.
And this is without any VI's running at all. Just 20 mono audio tracks and two stereo audio tracks.

The only difference I notice is that 9.13 is faster at switching buffer settings.

I'm gonna guess that pre 2012 Macs don't benefit much from this Next Gen Pre Gen thing in 9.13. Maybe MOTU tests on older operating systems but not on older Macs.

I'll spend a few more days with 9.13, but I have a feeling I'll just go back to 9.02.

Update = I am still experienceing close to the same performance at buffers of 256, 512, and 1024 in DP 9.13 as I was in 9.,02...BUT, I have found a workaround to address the processor spikes and stuttering,
which leaves me very hopeful.

See my post here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63312

James Steele wrote:BTW, the YMMV principle applies here as I and many others haven't experienced the sort of instability you're referring to in DP 9.13. It's interesting how varied user experiences are.

Yes I was curious to see if others were having the issue - seems not. Interesting. I've had a pretty good run with DP to only now, after 9+ years of using this DAW, be in a position where its not working properly after an update.

Thanks for the link bayswater and the tip James - both very good to know! I really appreciate this forum!

Cheers
James

David Polich wrote:Just spent a day with 9.13 on my main music Mac (2010 QuadCore Mac Pro, running OSX 10.10.5, 32 GB of RAM).
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I'm gonna guess that pre 2012 Macs don't benefit much from this Next Gen Pre Gen thing in 9.13. Maybe MOTU tests on older operating systems but not on older Macs.

2009 Mac Pro here, the NextGen PreGen thing has worked for me here. I wish I could tell you why. I 95% of the time have it work as expected, the occasional song will have a higher than normal processor, and it likes to site at half mast on heavy projects, but that's about it.

I wish I could tell you what I'm doing differently but I'm not sure? It worked in 9.12 despite me using VST2 and them fixing issues in DP9.13 with that and with the Fireface driver I use. I don't have any networking style plug ins like VEP or UAD etc. and I generally host all VSTs in V-Racks.

In directly the opposite experience of you guys I have the most heavy CPU issues when I've got record on multiple VSTi's for composing turned on. So if I'm set up with multiple controllers live, it can jamb the CPU up through the roof on a heavy mix.

I'm still experiencing faster load times and it makes me very happy.
I think MOTU did something good!

Bad thing...

I can't quit DP without Force Quit.

David Polich wrote:Update = I am still experienceing close to the same performance at buffers of 256, 512, and 1024 in DP 9.13 as I was in 9.,02...BUT, I have found a workaround to address the processor spikes and stuttering,
which leaves me very hopeful.

See my post here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63312

Thanks for that heads-up. I'll pay attention to that when I open older files.

I noticed that I could run lower buffers in 9.12 than 9.02 and even lower now in 9.13. I have all three installed and was able to A/B/C opening an old project that I use for such tests. 9.02, 8.07 and 7.24 all perform about the same with this file (you can't install 7.24 in Sierra but, if you upgraded from a previous OS, it still works).

This leads me to wonder if you being on Yosemite is a factor.

dinobass wrote:No problem opening DP 9.13 here.

Delay compensation is still not working right, though. If I have cpu intensive plugs on the master bus (especially some UAD) and then render a VI to audio, the recorded audio is offset. This was the case also in 9.12, if not an earlier version of 9. Never had a problem with it in DP 7 or 8.

Although I'm having and submitted tons of crashes in 9.1.3 (esp just hovering the mouse over the handle to edit the fade on a clip or just loading Falcon... ARGHHHHHHHH! Command-S is my new BFF), but I've also come across a problem like you are having that to me seems like it's related to VI not running in realtime. For example, I'm using Falcon and BFD3. If I keep them open and the "Run in realtime" option checked in the VI's upper-right dropdown, timing is perfect. If I close close the VI windows, their timing runs amok. The same is also true for VB3 under 32Lives, Toontrack's drum plugs and Slate drums. For me, 9.1.3 is the buggiest version of DP since I switched to Mac/DP from Sonar/Windows, around version 7.

I was just talking to MOTU tech support this last week, and they told me that closing a VI's window will put it back into pre-gen mode. So if you put a VI in run-in-real-time mode by clicking in the VI's upper right window, make sure you keep the window open.

Also, assigning the VI's main output to a bus puts it into real time mode. That's another workaround for any pre-gen goofiness.

To people having issues: this is very basic but have you done a Get Info on the DP app after installing and checked the "Prevent App Nap" box? It's unchecked by default after running the installer and should be checked.

James Steele wrote:To people having issues: this is very basic but have you done a Get Info on the DP app after installing and checked the "Prevent App Nap" box? It's unchecked by default after running the installer and should be checked.

For those not following the other thread, App Nap is designed to extend battery life on laptops. It serves no other purpose. Desktop computers should disable it system wide by copying and pasting the following command in Terminal:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSAppSleepDisabled -bool YES

Reboot or close and restart applications

To re-enable App Nap in Mac OS X

defaults delete NSGlobalDomain NSAppSleepDisabled

Reboot or close and restart applications

This will not change the status of the boxes in Get Info. You open the Energy tab in the Activities Monitor to see that it's been disabled.

Not all applications support this. In those cases, there is no box in Get Info

Seems faster to load big projects than 9.12, and I no longer get potential crashes or freeze-ups if I do back-to-back actions "too quickly". So I guess I was suffering from some of the now-fixed bugs.

FMiguelez wrote:

terrybritton wrote: [My "Master Template" has 73 tracks for tubas ALONE, just to give you an idea...]

Let me guess... You're using one track per articulation per library of the same instrument...

I just wanted to set the record straight that I very never work this way myself and was only JOKING! I absolutely abhor working on large templates (I appreciate, however, that you do it well, FM), and I seldom do, though I have some fair size ones set up. I thought they would give me freedom and dexterity having the instruments readily available, but it turns into a pain in the butt -- for me!

"Allow more than 32,000 MIDI tracks in a project."
- give me a break! I vastly prefer far smaller track counts (like ONE!)

Terry

9.13 crashing when edge editing soundbites. Also, corrupting some files making them unusable. Had the same problem with 9.12, so in both instances now I've reverted back to 09.02. I'm running under Yosemite- could that be the problem?

I know that these issues are very system specific.
In my case, 9.13 is working very well and is better than 9.12.
Faster loading times and more responsive.
Still have the force quit issue.
Anybody know about that?