Any news on 6.02?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Some might consider those "gimmicks" as upgrades, improvements, and advantages. Speed and DP aren't the only things one can do with a PPC Mac. The new and improved OS FEATURES are, in fact, a big improvement in many ways.

Let me ask you, Dave, have you tried it? Or are you assuming it's not any better? IMO, it's the best Mac OS ever - and mu machines are running much better than in Tiger. The ONLY drawback is the NI VIs not working and I can live with that.

[David Polich]

Yes, I have Leopard on my G4 Powerbook. It SUCKS. Way slower, mail has never
worked, folders take forever to open, and my favorite - when clicking on an
mp3 posted on a website, I get no sound. I have to press the browser back button,
click on the mp3 file name again, then it will play. Repairing permissions takes
an age. Shall I go on?

I don't dare put Leopard on my G5...I won't be that stupid.

[Bill O'C]

Well, whether 6.02 is at NAMM or not, I hope MOTU gets it into gear. Between this thread and the ongoing shenanigans of another software company, I'm in such a negative mood tonight that my cat is hiding from me.

Here's to better days ahead.

Regards,
Bill

[michkhol]

Any way, I really think the MOTU bashing is counter-productive and the tone of your post doesn't add much to the forum.

PM sent.

[tripit@earthlink.net]

Hey hey, so I was at NAMM today and I casually leaned over to one of the MOTU "dudes" during a demo and said "Hey, so when is there gonna be an update that fixes all the NI incompatibilities(with G5), etc. because my •••• keeps crashing"...or something like that. He replied "In the next several (?) weeks we will be releasing a significant (he said it twice SIG-NI-FI-KANT) DP update that will be addressing a lot of the bugs, etc.".

That's confusing me. If this "dude" is under NDA then he either lied or was fired the next day. If he was authorized to give out such information then it is a really strange way to inform about twice as SIG-NI-FI-KANT DP update through some anonymous "dudes" at a public show. It is even more weird than the usual MOTU's tight-lippness.

MOTU is tight lipped, but not completely all the time. I've had info leaked to me in the past. Sometimes you get someone who gives you a little info - usually pretty close to the release date it seems. I've also heard from a reliable source that 6.02 is coming shortly, as in a couple of weeks. Looks like it deals with a lot of bugs. Unfortunately, according to my source, it doesn't address the DAE issues, which are to be dealt with in a later update. I guess I'll have to use DP5 for another 6 months. At least PT8 is out, and it's a HUGE improvement. I used it for the first time yesterday and was really impressed with the new features. I'm think I'll even able to score on it now, at least with almost as much ease as DP.

[monkey man]

... if there's ever anything I can do in person sanctioned by James and the senior members of MotuNation, I would be pleased to do so.

To be a true 'Cornie you've gotta be prepared to take a hit for the team. Way to go, Bill.

[James Steele]

As far as being counter-productive, that's exactly what my work is with PPC & 6.01...counter-productive! Who has time to roll back an OS??

I did it in a day or so. It was a pain, but my system works. Roll it back and have it work or complain here for another month. Whichever floats your boat.

[James Steele]

Any way, I really think the MOTU bashing is counter-productive and the tone of your post doesn't add much to the forum.

PM sent.

PM replied.

[monkey man]

Given your current avatar, James, I can't help but thank you for the play-by-play account. LOL!

[groove]

He replied "In the next several (?) weeks we will be releasing a significant (he said it twice SIG-NI-FI-KANT) DP update that will be addressing a lot of the bugs, etc."

Sounds to me like June or something. So Motu enjoyed my money from the upgrade for almost a year before releasing a working copy of DP. I wish they had told me " Hey Groove, by the way, DP 6 with PPC and Leopard is a no-go for now, wait for 6.02 before shelling your credit card!"

I was at the dinner last night with a bunch of the MOTU guys, and although they have to keep their cards close to the vest, I think you're completely wrong about June. As I said, as much as I try, the MOTU guys never let secrets slip, but the impression I came away with was it will be pretty soon.

Also, the PPC and Leopard thing is only with some of the NI plugs when you use an OS that was not the original OS that came with the machine. I went back to Tiger for now and everything is working pretty good for me now.

James, should I remind you that DP 5.13 with combo PPC G5, NI, RMX et als and Leopard works flawlessy. So when you shell your money for an upgrapde you are assuming that it is going to be the same. As for the '"assumption" of a release on June or something, I should have put a to translate what I think.

Now the rest of my post was about the beta testing procedure at MOTU compare to what Propellerheads and others are doing. I suspect the base of beta testers for MOTU to be rather small, hence the lack of different configurations to test and debug, and the smal amount of feedback about different users' workflows. Add this to the "tight-lips" paranoia and you have a MOTU beta program that gives you the result we have. I've been a beta tester for DP in its fist incarnation and when suggesting workflow or GUI modifications to better fit in real situation I was being told that this was not what was expecting from beta testers. Basically, if your are not ABC -put your favorite Hollywood composer here- your suggestions were irrelevant. Also, some of the functions and plug-ins in the gold final were not in the betas; how are you suppose to test them. After this rather ridiculous experience with MOTU I decided to let go on the next version beta testing. As this philosophy changed, I don't know, maybe.
For doing beta testing for Reason and Live since their first versions I can tell you that these companies have a complete and opposite approad to MOTU.

Now, back to working with DP 6.0, G5, NI, Leopard et al with MOTUAudioUit.bundle version 1.6.1 instead of 1.7.0.
(I was the first to post the work-around for this on this board, result of a 30 minutes beta-testing session with DP 6 after the Fedex guy left. I guess there was no beta-testers at MOTU with a PPC machine and Leopard...)

[James Steele]

Now, back to working with DP 6.0, G5, NI, Leopard et al with MOTUAudioUit.bundle version 1.6.1 instead of 1.7.0.
(I was the first to post the work-around for this on this board, result of a 30 minutes beta-testing session with DP 6 after the Fedex guy left. I guess there was no beta-testers at MOTU with a PPC machine and Leopard...)

You make a lot of assumptions about the current beta testing situation which as you have said you haven't been involved in testing personally in a long time, so you can't be sure that's the case. As far as switching the bundle... congrats on being the first to post it. I'm fairly certain you probably aren't the first person who discovered that however.

[willheim]

well, what i played with was DP on a laptop. It seemed different so checked the version - it was something like 6.02.33083 or something like that.

then i talked to a rep about it, i think it was les, he was there chewing the fat with a UA guy - and he said that that had addressed alot of the users biggest issues in this version - and to look for it in a couple weeks. maybe sooner.

don't shoot the messenger!

that beat machine thing they have? - it is almost like an overlay that makes performer run like logic (to me).

OK

[groove]

Now, back to working with DP 6.0, G5, NI, Leopard et al with MOTUAudioUit.bundle version 1.6.1 instead of 1.7.0.
(I was the first to post the work-around for this on this board, result of a 30 minutes beta-testing session with DP 6 after the Fedex guy left. I guess there was no beta-testers at MOTU with a PPC machine and Leopard...)

You make a lot of assumptions about the current beta testing situation which as you have said you haven't been involved in testing personally in a long time, so you can't be sure that's the case. As far as switching the bundle... congrats on being the first to post it. I'm fairly certain you probably aren't the first person who discovered that however.

James the truth is that this combo - G5, Leopard- is fairly usual and there is certainly more users with it than we think. If you read me correctly I said "Has this philosophy changed, I don't know, maybe." In my mother tongue that is assuming it probably has but I have no clues.

As for the work-around, I'm certainly not the first but, considering this rather usual combo, beta testers and MOTU at the beta stage should have found and correct it. That was my whole point.

[James Steele]

As for the work-around, I'm certainly not the first but, considering this rather usual combo, beta testers and MOTU at the beta stage should have found and correct it. That was my whole point.

There's a whole lot of speculation going on and "should have" this... "should have" that. NI even stated to me in email that they had a fix on their side. Maybe MOTU couldn't fix this on their own after updating the AU support so that pre-rendering of VIs could work. It would not be the first time that MOTU got burned for more closely following the AU spec.

[Shooshie]

Lest people think I am rabble-rousing or "piling on," I will keep this short and to the point.

DP6 is *long* overdue for an update. IMO it is disrespectful and irresponsible for MOTU to to keep customers hanging on for so long in complete silence.

By cracky... you don't know what *long* overdue is. We had to wait 70 years for the first update from MOTU. Of course... for the first 69 years, MOTU wasn't born yet, but still... it was a LONG TIME COMING! Then there was a bit of a gap between DP 3.x and DP4.0 I mean... a LoooooooooooNG bit of a gap. Even *I* got to where I was calling them about once a week. "Oh, is this Shooshie again? We told you last week you'll get it when it's ready. And if you pay us for it." Then there was Waves, which went 18 months or more, telling us they no longer support DP, while we were sitting there chewing on our $3500 install disks and using our $500 WUP receipts for coasters.

I get as frustrated as anyone, but having been with MOTU since the very beginning -- I pre-ordered their first product months in advance -- I've long since learned to live with the fact that it's a small company, a top-rate company, but determined always to be small and focused. The upgrade will come. It will be good. It will have bugs. Another upgrade will follow in like 6 weeks. Then it will be extremely stable. And then the loooooong wait for DP 6.5 or DP 7.

Hey, I'd have left many years ago if it wasn't worth it. Heck, there was Opcode around back then. They had to stay on their toes. I played around with StudioVision and said "Nope, it's not for me. DP is my thing." I've got Logic 8 Studio on my hard drive and in my dock. I pull it out now and then. I'm even getting better at it. But.. Nope. I'll wait for MOTU.

Shooshie