L8 Whoa!

[jgest]

i'll buy that. i prefer my 3rd party stuff to just about anything in logic's bundle. they're good for starters, though, and as low-cpu sketch instruments. i mostly use them as supplements (mostly es2 and sculpture).

Do you think logics vi's surpass reason's?

[PeterMcCStrat]

my initial point was,.. whoa because.

Sunny day,.. a man walks to the plate,.. ooops,.. thats the "Untouchables"....

Walks into a Music Store to buy a FIRST DAW,...

The Instruments, (which sound great,.. next to a Yamaha Motif ES & Reason, easily)
Convolution reverb (Which easily stand up to Waves IR if not better) sounds awesome!! many more really killer effects.

A comprehensive loop library of ANYTHING needed,..with a BIG spotlight style browser to drag into and arrange..

I worked with the comp take feature last night,.. mindlessly simple ( invaluable to a hack like me who punches in every other note)

Is an incredible value, found NOWHERE ELSE, sorry,...

I'm sure there are plenty of 3rd party plugs that are better but,.
for a one box package,.. it is ridiculous, the amount of really great tools that come in this pkg.
Mind you,. I didn't bring up, wave burner, compressor for vid, Mainstage. etc,..

So, yeah,... Whoa!!

Now,.. don't start flamin me,...On the Nuendo forum you get flamed like you insulted someones Mama,...
but really it's defending something someone spent 2K on,... What the heck?!! LOL,....
so they defend it to the death.

But,.. with DP and L8,.. on the shelf for the same price,.....
shakes head,....

I dunno man?

think about it..

No Flamin,.... I love DP. relax boys.

Best-

PM

[MIDI Life Crisis]

...

I worked with the comp take feature last night,.. mindlessly simple ...

Herein lies the rub for me. It IS mindless and makes it so very easy to "compile" music instead of crafting music. Maybe a little like those "chord" buttons or "rhythm sections" on consumer level auto organs in the 60's.

It might be because I am essentially old school. Complex orchestrations and arrangements don't scare me. Complex programs like Finale and DP also don;t scare me.

SIMPLE programs scare me because at some point THEY make the decisions about somethings and take away my muse (or at least try to).

Clearly, L8 is simple to use. Again, that is precisely what I find objectionable.

Just my 2 bits...

[jgest]

Now,.. don't start flamin me,...On the Nuendo forum you get flamed like you insulted someones Mama,...
but really it's defending something someone spent 2K on,... What the heck?!! LOL,....
so they defend it to the death.

But,.. with DP and L8,.. on the shelf for the same price,.....
shakes head,....

I dunno man?

think about it..

No Flamin,.... I love DP. relax boys.

Best-

PM

there is no reason to flame you. If owning logic is what brings you the muse, by all means use it and love it along with dp. It's all good, and at the end of the day the idea is to be creative and inspired, bring joy, compassion and hope to those around us through our actions and deeds....
Music (each and every kind) is one of the most powerful tools to accomplish this feat.....$500 is worth it at all costs.
.........I still get my mind blown by a buddy who uses an archaic version of cakewalk (and hardware synths, efx units, external mixer) to achieve an amazing production level, while I spend $$$$ searching for the ONE true sound.....it's all subjective.

[PeterMcCStrat]

[/quote]
I still get my mind blown by a buddy who uses an archaic version of cakewalk (and hardware synths, efx units, external mixer) to achieve an amazing production level,[/quote]

I hear ya
I said it before,...

It ain't the toys,.. it's the noise!!

dig deep,... daddy-o!

PM

[ttauri]

Do you think logics vi's surpass reason's?

IMHO:

Synths are better.

I don't really remember how the rhodes and organ samples for NNXT compared to Logic's VIs for those instruments though. Probably not too far off.

Logic's drum machine can synthesize a mighty 808-ish kick drum, but that's as far as I've gone with it.

NNXT vs. EXS, I prefer the NNXT, though not having wave editing in it is a drawback (adjusting a startpoint on a longish sample with those knobs... )

Peece,
T. Tauri

[Matcher]

It ain't the toys,.. it's the noise!!

WORD

*off to make some noise*

[PeterMcCStrat]

...

I worked with the comp take feature last night,.. mindlessly simple ...

Herein lies the rub for me. It IS mindless and makes it so very easy to "compile" music instead of crafting music. Maybe a little like those "chord" buttons or "rhythm sections" on consumer level auto organs in the 60's.

It might be because I am essentially old school. Complex orchestrations and arrangements don't scare me. Complex programs like Finale and DP also don;t scare me.

SIMPLE programs scare me because at some point THEY make the decisions about somethings and take away my muse (or at least try to).

Clearly, L8 is simple to use. Again, that is precisely what I find objectionable.

Just my 2 bits...

Dude,.. I have to laugh at this, sorry.

But actually, you've made me see the light,.. thank you.
I don't want an app that's quick and easy work in...I want an app that's gonna have me scracthin my head when I want to put down tracks,...
If it's too easy to work with,.. I think my music will suffer.
you know?
no pain,.no gain.....

PM

[emulatorloo]

Clearly, L8 is simple to use. Again, that is precisely what I find objectionable.

Just my 2 bits...

MLC you outta take a look at the the Logic 8 manual if you have a little free time -- it is ONE THOUSAND AND THIRTY PAGES!!!


http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/logicpro/

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[PeterMcCStrat]

and a second manual on the "effects and instruments" that is 668 pgs...

and a third manual for Mainstage,.. etc,..

P

[kelldammit]

Do you think logics vi's surpass reason's?

i'd have to say that for me, yes. but still, most good third party vi's are way better still.
for the most part, i'd say the l8 vi's fall smack inbetween reason, and say...blue (a VERY nice sounding synth, imo). there a few that lean toward either end of the scale, but by and large, i think that's a pretty accurate assessment.
however, nothing comes close to reason for the sheer "wheeeeeeee!" fun factor.

kell

[jgest]

Do you think logics vi's surpass reason's?

i'd have to say that for me, yes. but still, most good third party vi's are way better still.
for the most part, i'd say the l8 vi's fall smack inbetween reason, and say...blue (a VERY nice sounding synth, imo). there a few that lean toward either end of the scale, but by and large, i think that's a pretty accurate assessment.
however, nothing comes close to reason for the sheer "wheeeeeeee!" fun factor.

kell

Thanks for that feedback, I appreciate the assessment.

[johnsbaker]

After years of loyal upgrades to MOTU for a great product, I have to say fare thee well to DP after spending a day with Logic Studio. It sort of burns me now that I had to pay for Mach 5 with that stupid iLock thing in addition to Digital Performer, when I now find the sampler bundled with Logic Studio suits my needs better and is easier to use. And then add in all the awesome plug-ins, software instruments and loops. AND the software sounds fantastic and is intuitive to use. Sorry MOTU. But I still really like your hardware!!!

[James Steele]

Bye.

[jlaudon]

As Ahnold says (kind of) - "he'll be back". Just wait and see