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monkey man wrote:That local guitar shop I mentioned to you earlier, Fwoggy, now has two "signature" guitars.
The "new" one is an Epiphone Casino with, I think, Paul's signature, and that $12000 job is still there (can't remember what it was called, but I think it had John's sig on it).

I haven't rechecked the site; the ad was in the local trading post.
Here's the link in case you're feelin' pickish... er... peckish. :D

http://www.gallinsguitars.com.au/products/

OK, I rechecked the site:

EEEJVS John Lennon EJ-160 E $999
USCR John Lennon "Revolution" Casino $5,799
and
EMT USA EPIPHONE McCARTNEY TEXAN $12,999
I'll meet you there in 15 minutes!! :lol:

Yes-- the Texan. That's the "Yesterday" guitar. Can't recall what he used on Blackbird-- maybe that was the Martin D28. Looks similar, but different sounnd.

Yes-- the EJ-160 is now $499 US-- not bad. The Gibson model is about three times that price, but I didn't find it to be three times better.

With the Casinos, however, the local Guitar megalomart was blowing those out for $299 US. Catch: made in China. In this case, the $1600 models are indeed MUCH better instruments. The Lennon "Revolution" model claims top dollar simply because its a classic reissue. I'd probably get the sunburst Casino Elitist, and then opt for a blond maple Sheraton instead of the over-hype "Revolution" just to avoid the placebo (and to save cash!).

But that's my goal. I'm now one month away from having my Ricky (and eating it, too) !! :wink:
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Hey! I just got an e-mail from the Beatles, informing me that they are releasing the movie Help! for the first time on DVD...

http://www.thebeatles.com/help/

That will be some good entertainment. It's been years since I saw it, but I still giggle at the thought of that big apartment they live in... with a separate entrance for each Beatle. :wink:

Hey Frodo... do you happen to know, off hand, what guitar is used in the Rubber Soul song What Goes On?
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zed wrote:Hey! I just got an e-mail from the Beatles, informing me that they are releasing the movie Help! for the first time on DVD...

http://www.thebeatles.com/help/

That will be some good entertainment. It's been years since I saw it, but I still giggle at the thought of that big apartment they live in... with a separate entrance for each Beatle. :wink:
Hey Zed-- I have Help! on DVD-- it was released at least twice and pulled. I guess it's about time they put out a definitive edition such as the latest "gray" edition of AHD's Night. There was an official version of AHD's Night that had a cover akin to 'With The Beatles' (the four shadowy portraits...), but that's was pulled for a while, too, until the current edition was made available.
zed wrote: Hey Frodo... do you happen to know, off hand, what guitar is used in the Rubber Soul song What Goes On?
Yes-- Gretsch Tennessean, if it's George playing. John had an orange double cutaway 6120 (which we know he used on Paperback Writer).

There are two parts going on-- one is not bad playing, but the double tracked part is hideous at times. I'm surprised they left it. It's subtle and panned WAY off to the right channel.

Funny you should ask: I listened to Rubber Soul, Revolver, and The White Album back to back just two days ago!
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Frodo wrote:There are two parts going on-- one is not bad playing, but the double tracked part is hideous at times. I'm surprised they left it. It's subtle and panned WAY off to the right channel.
If they left it... how come it is panned right?

But seriously... what the hell are you talking about!?!?! Since when is anything the Beatles recorded hideous? I just listened to the part with finely-tuned ears, and there were a few areas where the double tracked parts weren't perfectly in sync... but pretty far from hideous. I love that guitar track. You must have been listening to the North American release of Rubber Soul... yeah that's right... the one which didn't include the song!!

When you soon find yourself facing the wrath of nickysnd, I'm gonna leave you fending for yourself. :wink:
Frodo wrote:Funny you should ask: I listened to Rubber Soul, Revolver, and The White Album back to back just two days ago!


I never go too long without playing Beatles albums. Nothing else really sounds quite as satisfying to me. It is definitely the most important music of my life. Incidently, Rubber Soul is the album that gets played most often.
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zed wrote: If they left it... how come it is panned right?
I suspect that as with the Strat solo on Nowhere Man, that the two parts were played at the same time by John and George and tracked to mono. Why there was so little down the middle remains one of those George Martin mysteries of mixing and engineering.
zed wrote: But seriously... what the hell are you talking about!?!?! Since when is anything the Beatles recorded hideous? I just listened to the part with finely-tuned ears, and there were a few areas where the double tracked parts weren't perfectly in sync... but pretty far from hideous. I love that guitar track. You must have been listening to the North American release of Rubber Soul... yeah that's right... the one which didn't include the song!!
No-- it's the Parlaphone release. Some of the fills are sloppier than most other Beatle tracks-- which are nothiing short of astonishing for their execution, but this is part of it's charm and honesty. I love it, too.
zed wrote: When you soon find yourself facing the wrath of nickysnd, I'm gonna leave you fending for yourself. :wink:
Oh, I know-- but the Beatles would be the first to tell you how touring impacted negatively on their musicianship. The tracks on Rubber Soul are so wonderfully done, that I suspect "Act Naturally" was either among the first to be recorded for that session or might have been one of those end of the day takes. I recall John talking about "Twist And Shout"-- and how they'd recorded most all of that album in a day. This song was the last one of that day and his voice was shot, he says. It's a great performance-- gut wrenching-- so blood-curdling rock and roll for the time. Then, you listen to something like "If I Fell" or "I'm Only Sleeping" and those performances reach of a different order of perfection of their own.
zed wrote: I never go too long without playing Beatles albums. Nothing else really sounds quite as satisfying to me. It is definitely the most important music of my life. Incidently, Rubber Soul is the album that gets played most often.
I don't either, usually. It was just one of those few occasions any more when I put on a headset and sat still . I'd like to take a day and listen to them all from start to finish without distraction.

I think it was George who said "Revolver" was basically part two of "Rubber Soul", although "Revolver" begins to face a different direction. George goes from "Think For Yourself" on one to "Taxman" on the other with nothing to apologize for.

"Rubber Soul" is stunning-- "Drive My Car", "Nowhere Man", "The Word", "Girl", "In My Life", "Michelle"-- I mean, one couldn't imagine writing just one song as good as any of these in an entire lifetime-- and yet all 14 of those tracks are masterpieces.

"Revolver"-- gee. I can't find enough good things to say about it. Among the most notable things that struck me this time around was the incredible versatility McCartney put forth in contrasts: "Elanor Rigby", "Here, There, and Everywhere", "For No One"-- the amazing guitar work (Casino!!) on ""And Your Bird..."-- but there's no denying what a landmark tune "Got To Get You Into My Life" was. That's not to downplay the contributions of the others at all-- but, I happened to notice how much of Paul was all over "Revolver" in the same way I noticed how much of John was all over "Beatles For Sale".

No, I say not that I want a Revolution. I'm just getting into the "inner grooves" of these tracks a bit more.
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zed wrote:If they left it... how come it is panned right?
Almost 10 hours later I just got this one!!

:oops: :oops:
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Frodo wrote:
zed wrote:If they left it... how come it is panned right?
Almost 10 hours later I just got this one!!
Heh heh. What a slow poke! :wink:
Frodo wrote:Why there was so little down the middle remains one of those George Martin mysteries of mixing and engineering.
All I can say about this hard panning business is that it is brilliant. It might sound a little weird with headphones, but it is the goat's cheese when it comes to spreading out sounds in the room. I have my non-studio speakers set up at different heights on opposite sides of the room and facing in different directions. The result is a spreading of the sound which is completely delicious. I never realized how truly fantastic it was until I was listening to the Beatles on mushrooms... then the spread was ultra-groovy-fantasic. I finally got it.

I am so thankful for George Martin's hard panning. Some of the recent Beatles remasters have been much less pleasing because they've tried to remove some of the hard panning. Removing the hard panning really takes away from the coolness factor, in my opinion.

Frodo wrote:No-- it's the Parlaphone release. Some of the fills are sloppier than most other Beatle tracks...
Again, I direct you to the mushrooms. The fills will start to sound much less sloppy, and instead just pleasingly smeared. :wink:
Frodo wrote: It was just one of those few occasions any more when I put on a headset and sat still . I'd like to take a day and listen to them all from start to finish without distraction.
A while back I was putting together something called the Chronological Beatles. The objective: putting their whole library of songs (plus a few key demos) all in their proper chronogical recording order. That puts Tomorrow Never Knows right at the beginning of Revolver, and some other interesting mixups. Now that I have (or could convert) most of the songs into Mp3 format, it will be much easier to complete that project and keep all the songs together. Previously I had been burning them as AIFFs to CD, but then I was in trouble if I wanted to insert a missing song or something. One of these days I will complete the project and have that Chronological Beatles experience.
Frodo wrote:I think it was George who said "Revolver" was basically part two of "Rubber Soul", although "Revolver" begins to face a different direction.
I could see that. It's really does have it's own sound because of the heavy use of ADT... but the song styles are similar to Rubber Soul, for sure. Another truly great album indeed. I think George is also the one who said that "Magical Mystery Tour" was kind of like part 2 of "Sgt. Pepper"... and also the one who said he thought "Abbey Road" sounded unfinished.
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zed wrote:Heh heh. What a slow poke! :wink:
I know-- Wednesday was a big day in Logic 8 land, so I was heavily distracted. I've had my eye on this release for a long time. How it works will prove to be quite significant for newly coded DAWs for OSX from here on. Lost a lot of the day keeping tabs with announcements.
zed wrote:Again, I direct you to the mushrooms. The fills will start to sound much less sloppy, and instead just pleasingly smeared. :wink:
... and I direct you to "Fellowship of the Ring", Chapter 4: "A Shortcut to Mushrooms"! :lol:

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zed wrote:A while back I was putting together something called the Chronological Beatles. The objective: putting their whole library of songs (plus a few key demos) all in their proper chronogical recording order.
Definitely a worthy effort. Finish it!!
zed wrote: ... and also the one who said he thought "Abbey Road" sounded unfinished.
That's what gets me. Abbey Road is easily the slickest production of the entire set. I love that album. The White Album is the one that sounds unfinished to me-- in a wonderful way. I even enjoyed Revolution #9 probably more this time around than I ever have-- and I liked it from the first time I heard it. Some day you'll have to share your mushroom experiences with THAT track!!
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Frodo wrote:
zed wrote: ... and also the one who said he thought "Abbey Road" sounded unfinished.
That's what gets me. Abbey Road is easily the slickest production of the entire set. I love that album.
I think I know exactly what he meant... I have always felt that way too. The production is fantastic, and the songs are great... but the medley of Mean Mr Mustard, Polethene Pam and She Came in Through the Bathroom Window was ill-advised, imo. Each of those songs should have been longer and completed as full songs. I feel cheated everytime we are supposed to arrive at the crucial change section of Mean Mr Mustard, and instead the song changes. Leaves me with an overall impression of an album that wasn't quite polished the way it could have been.

And lastly, the final section of The End should have been doubled up. That section that follows "...is equal to the love you make" is too rushed and needed to be lengthier so you can bask in perfection of that final lyric.

Isn't it a shame that they now advertise Her Majesty as a track on the CD? That was supposed to be a surprise track. I remember loving that concept as a kid when I discovered that it was there by accident. How dare they list the track, and ruin that special feature. Damn record/publishing companies and their need to make an extra buck. :evil:
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Mr Z:

ermm...

I just discovered that PLAY 10.0.012 has been out since Aug 23? I'm sure you knew, but are there any additional insights? The last version I had was 10.0.011 which worked better than the previous 2. It still wrecked DPs plugin GUI.

I guess I quit paying attention to what was going on at EW because of DP/Intel distractions.

<sigh>
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Frodo wrote:I just discovered that PLAY 10.0.012 has been out since Aug 23? I'm sure you knew, but are there any additional insights?
No I think that is just the PC version. Current Mac version is still 10.0.011. No changes.

I will look forward to your evalution of Logic 8. I have another buddy who was raving about it last night. I want to know if they have made it more sensible. I hear they've done some groovy things with takes. 8)
Reminds me of the take folders I have been talking about...

Damn. I've gotta post my DP wishlist. It is growing into a serious document now, and I guess I should get it into the proper hands where it might actually bring about some changes. Maybe when I wake up.
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Frodo wrote:
monkey man wrote:That local guitar shop I mentioned to you earlier, Fwoggy, now has two "signature" guitars.
The "new" one is an Epiphone Casino with, I think, Paul's signature, and that $12000 job is still there (can't remember what it was called, but I think it had John's sig on it).

I haven't rechecked the site; the ad was in the local trading post.
Here's the link in case you're feelin' pickish... er... peckish. :D

http://www.gallinsguitars.com.au/products/

OK, I rechecked the site:

EEEJVS John Lennon EJ-160 E $999
USCR John Lennon "Revolution" Casino $5,799
and
EMT USA EPIPHONE McCARTNEY TEXAN $12,999
I'll meet you there in 15 minutes!! :lol:
There's an easier way, Fwoggy:
Due to advances in technology and blind trust on your part, it's possible for you to send me $20,000 and expect three packages in the mail shortly thereafter. :lol:
Frodo wrote:But that's my goal. I'm now one month away from having my Ricky (and eating it, too) !! :wink:
Got Ricky... check.
Got Nicky... :shock:

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monkey man wrote: Got Ricky... check.
Got Nicky... :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey Ricky!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iwld8BZCo_Q
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:lol:

Thanks for making me laugh today Frodo!!

Let's see, I guess that would officially be: ROFL
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Dat's funny. I even laughed out loud... for real. That's LOLFR. :D

Now would you like to know which guitar I would like to have even more than a ricky?
This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbFhgHT ... ed&search=

Holy f#%@&*k!! It sounds fantastic (not to mention how it looks).
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