mikehalloran wrote:OK, MainStage was spun off and sold separately as is Compressor.
Soundtrack Pro? WaveBurner? Apple Loops Utility? No longer available.
Also
http://www.askaudiomag.com/articles/log ... is-it-gone
This is academic to me. I don't care. I have LS8 and LS9 as well as LP X. I didn't reinstall Logic Studio 9 last October and LPX does what I need which is very little as I do any real work in DP.
I never used Aperture so I don't miss it – the version of Photoshop I use still works. The Final Cut mess was not mine but affected many of my friends who moved to Adobe because of it. Fortunately for my wife, the older version of Pages still works with DropBox so she can ignore the current version and iCloud but she is converting back to Office for her needs (I never left Office and convert docs to the current Pages so I can do minor editing on my iPad).
None of this changes what I posted earlier about these apps being made simpler to sell hardware. Agree or disagree –it's not an issue. It is what's happening.
Had a feeling you were talking about the bundled apps in Studio.
Ignoring the other non audio/DAW apps you mentioned, they aren't relevant to this discussion.
They spun those other apps in for a version or two, but if you're insinuating that Apple is dumbing down Logic itself I would have to disagree, and the link you posted ends with this:
The bottom line is that Apple has given us a lot more than it has taken away with Logic Pro X and some of what appears to be taken away has in fact not been taken away, but renamed or key commands reassigned.
Waveburner was a $500 separate app at one point, they only bundled it with Logic for a version or two. OSX versions were never that stable and I can't say I blame them for conceding to the competition. Apple Loops Utility is available for free.
https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ I had no use for Compressor, and them selling it separately doesn't in any way make Logic dumbed down, it's a utility for specific people with specific needs. Considering I have little use for Logic X I was glad you could buy MainStage for $29 separately. Most of Soundtrack Pro's features have been rolled into Logic (apple Loops etc), and IMO Soundtrack Pro as a separate app never made sense in the first place.
I think personally Like any huge acquisition Logic etc. had to be assimilated in a way that made sense to them, but there's no indication that somehow Logic is now Garageband, it's sold separately at a 'pro' audience, it's always in the App Store top selling apps.
I think it's just easier to think that Logic is being dumbed down, that it's a loss leader, and that people are only buying it because "Apple". The truth is Logic was already one of the top DAWs out there in 2000 before Apple bought them. It is more geared towards quantized EDM production than DP for sure, but that doesn't mean it can't compete with DP and Nuendo etc. for composition, rock bands, studios etc. it does.
I mean if you want to argue that Logic is dumbed down then you would have to concede that it has features that are somehow more pro than DP as well, and how does that make sense? The time stretching in Logic for instance. DP doesn't allow you to constrain MIDI notes to a range, killing it's ability to load soft synths in a workstation manner with split keyboards etc. I think it's the only DAW I know of that cannot do that simple thing? you have to use your controller keyboards ability to split, which is definitely less handy than having the splits saved in a project etc. Doesn't make DP dumbed down though, or that it doesn't come with a two track editor etc.
In the end of the day we agree that DP is superior,
I'm just saying we need to stop trashing on Logic for reasons that are debatable and stick to things that make sense to point out. I can tell you that after switching to Logic years ago if some other DAW user attempted to paint Logic as being made into a toy compared to their DAW, it did zero to convince me of anything except that the person was overtly loyal to 1's and 0's arranged in a specific way.
M2 Studio Ultra, RME Babyface FS, Slate Raven Mti2, NI SL88 MKII, Linnstrument, MPC Live II, Launchpad MK3. Hundreds of plug ins.
