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zed wrote:Even though I *think* you are only joking , I am seriously wondering why it wouldn't be possible to simulate voices? There has got to be a way to analyse what is actually happening to the waveforms when a given singer sings different notes and vowels. It must be possible to construct an algorithm that could get us in the ballpark of a particular vocal tone, if at least we can sing it close to the way we'd want that singer to sing it.

Or we could hire the right vocalist... but I still think the algorithm should be possible in theory. THEN DP would be worth it.

You could physically model Aretha Franklin perhaps, but you couldn't fit her into a modern computer. A 1970's mainframe, maybe....

Or Pavarotti... actually there is a new Mac barrel model

I found the DP Spectral Effects command while looking for a way to make background vocals. I was basing the background on what I had already sung. It sounded so good I ended up using it for the main vocal instead. This 40-something man sounded like a teenage girl. With none of that fluttering or worbling I hear from pitch shifters.

csiaudio wrote:Worth it? Humm, yeah so far it seems stable - but luckily I guess I never had any stability issues with 6.02. Refined? A bit. Of course each one of us is going to look at this update as how it benefits them and their recording needs. So for me, the added guitar plugs are usable but I have better more realistic plugs for that already. I haven't looked into this yet but the added EQ function in the mixer is nice but only if I can assign 3rd party plugs to it because I simply don't use the MOTU plugins...so if I can't do that then that isn't an added bonus, again at least for me.

This release definitely does not knock my socks off - in my opinion it's really more a 6.5 release than a 7.0 release. Which a 6.5 release would typically have had many under the hood refinements. In all my years on the computer, and probably you can say this also, I have never seen a 6.02 version jump to a 7.0 version.

Now anyone who feels the need to rip into me for this remember these are simply my opinons - if yours differ that is a beautiful thing

You just made me think that maybe MOTU is trying to offset the recent hard financial times with a "7" upgrade which then allows them to CHARGE MONEY!
It seems like a great update, don;t get me wrong. But, seeing 6.02 go to 7 leads me to believe one of three things:
1) either 6 just sucked and wasn't worth sticking around in to update
2) MOTU needed money and made 6.5 into 7 so they could charge
3) MOTU is so damn on the ball and working so efficiently that they just busted up to 7 faster than any update in their history.

I say it's a combination of 2 and 3.
What say all of you?

toodamnhip wrote:

csiaudio wrote:Worth it? Humm, yeah so far it seems stable - but luckily I guess I never had any stability issues with 6.02. Refined? A bit. Of course each one of us is going to look at this update as how it benefits them and their recording needs. So for me, the added guitar plugs are usable but I have better more realistic plugs for that already. I haven't looked into this yet but the added EQ function in the mixer is nice but only if I can assign 3rd party plugs to it because I simply don't use the MOTU plugins...so if I can't do that then that isn't an added bonus, again at least for me.

This release definitely does not knock my socks off - in my opinion it's really more a 6.5 release than a 7.0 release. Which a 6.5 release would typically have had many under the hood refinements. In all my years on the computer, and probably you can say this also, I have never seen a 6.02 version jump to a 7.0 version.

Now anyone who feels the need to rip into me for this remember these are simply my opinons - if yours differ that is a beautiful thing

You just made me think that maybe MOTU is trying to offset the recent hard financial times with a "7" upgrade which then allows them to CHARGE MONEY!
It seems like a great update, don;t get me wrong. But, seeing 6.02 go to 7 leads me to believe one of three things:
1) either 6 just sucked and wasn't worth sticking around in to update
2) MOTU needed money and made 6.5 into 7 so they could charge
3) MOTU is so damn on the ball and working so efficiently that they just busted up to 7 faster than any update in their history.

I say it's a combination of 2 and 3.
What say all of you?

Who cares..
it's stable, I'm running a boatload of plugins,no crashes, it's
becoming increasingly CPU efficient (on my system anyway)
The channel strip, additional automation modes,the additional
eq graphs, and dynamic controls in the mixer window, the quickscribe
tweaks, the new plugins, th...never mind..I want my money back.

Oh..with amplidood's code machine gui, it's even purty to look at!!

toodamnhip wrote:

csiaudio wrote:... This release definitely does not knock my socks off - in my opinion it's really more a 6.5 release than a 7.0 release. Which a 6.5 release would typically have had many under the hood refinements. In all my years on the computer, and probably you can say this also, I have never seen a 6.02 version jump to a 7.0 version. ...

You just made me think that maybe MOTU is trying to offset the recent hard financial times with a "7" upgrade which then allows them to CHARGE MONEY!
It seems like a great update, don;t get me wrong. But, seeing 6.02 go to 7 leads me to believe one of three things:
1) either 6 just sucked and wasn't worth sticking around in to update
2) MOTU needed money and made 6.5 into 7 so they could charge
3) MOTU is so damn on the ball and working so efficiently that they just busted up to 7 faster than any update in their history.

I say it's a combination of 2 and 3.
What say all of you?

It's not that DP7 came quickly on the heels of DP6. It's just that MOTU decided against further updates of DP6 after 6.02 was stable. I wrote my own speculations about this back when 7 first came out. A number upgrade usually signifies a major change. The big change that has been facing all Mac developers has been to rewrite their apps in Cocoa. Since Steve Jobs announced the cancellation of Carbon 64 support, it's left developers with no other choice except gradual obsolescence. DP6 apparently was a major step toward Cocoa, since it used a more standard Cocoa user interface (windows, buttons, menus, dialogs...) but people who claimed to know said that the entire app had not been finished in Cocoa.

So, it's my guess that DP7 represents the first version that is fully rewritten in Cocoa. Or, at least the rewrite will be complete during the reign of 7.

Why do people think that DP7 is a non-upgrade? I find it to be quite different from DP6 in many ways, but most are subtle. That doesn't mean "not important." It just feels more solid, and when I'm working I find many little things that different. It all makes sense to me, but as always, I could be wrong. That should be my nickname.

It's been just over 6 years since DP4.0 came out for OSX. Including 4.0, we've had the following major upgrades since that first OSX version:
4.0
4.5
5.0
6.0
7.0

That's five "manual" upgrades in 6 years and 5 months. That comes to one manual about every 15 months. DP7 came out a year after DP6, just three months short of "average."

Oh well... I guess everyone has their own theory; the reality is that DP7 is here, and it's good.

Shoo[I-could-be-wrong]shie

PS: if it turned out that MOTU just needed money for developing DP, what's wrong with charging us for it? Programmers don't work for free.

Is DP7 worth it?
YES.

Well, I tell ya what.
I'm cool about it all!

It was just amusing speculation. I saved money anyway because I never had to buy DP 6.
And I thank all you brave souls for bearing the burden of DP 6 development, which undoubtedly made 7 possible.
I can;t wait to get it, the 200oo is a no-brainer...I'm sure the MOTU programmers deserve every dime of it.

Thanks all you brave MOTU "beta testers".. on DP 6
It appears you all made DP 7 fantastic...I owe you all a beer..which of course,,will clearly negate my 200 savings..lol...

sdfalk wrote:Who cares..
it's stable, I'm running a boatload of plugins,no crashes, it's
becoming increasingly CPU efficient (on my system anyway)
The channel strip, additional automation modes,the additional
eq graphs, and dynamic controls in the mixer window, the quickscribe
tweaks, the new plugins, th...never mind..I want my money back.

Oh..with amplidood's code machine gui, it's even purty to look at!!

plus 1

I would have paid double for DP7... Shoosie's early guarantee to work with all the extras MOTU added... this is not some kind of desperate move by MOTU for cash. MOTU has been around since the wheel. They are not public and it seems whoever is at the controls of that company is brilliant. I would love to see the offers they have had in the last 5 years to sell out to one of the corporate hound dogs...

toodamnhip wrote:But, seeing 6.02 go to 7 leads me to believe one of three things:
1) either 6 just sucked and wasn't worth sticking around in to update
2) MOTU needed money and made 6.5 into 7 so they could charge
3) MOTU is so damn on the ball and working so efficiently that they just busted up to 7 faster than any update in their history.

I say it's a combination of 2 and 3.
What say all of you?

Like every other business, they need money. Price increases are not an option. Didn't Apple lead the way by going from 8.02 to 9.0? Abelton churns out updates like sausages. Cubase does it to, except it takes them three years to get the paid updates issued. I think we should expect more of the same from all of them.

I just got it today and I think it's terrific. I like the GUI better and the overall function of everything. Top drawer! Also got Ethno along with it. What a pair! Also have ordered Electric Keys. Really impressed with how solid DP7 seems to be thus far. I have thrown a lot at it too!

Dave

dcoscina wrote:Also have ordered Electric Keys.

I'm envious. Those are some of the grooviest looking keyboard plugins on the market! And they seem to sound good too!