Alternatives for new MAC buyers with issues :)

Hideout · Post by **Hideout** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:29 am

kwiz wrote: I see where you're coming from and understand that Apple's hardware runs off of OSX, but what also makes their hardware successful is the design and engineering of their hardware. I do see what you mean as far as licensing out the software is concerned and like I said in a previous post, I do not want to see Apple go under. Hacking into OSX has and is being done. Apple had to know that this would happen once they committed to using Intel processors. It will be interesting what happens next.

Well, the one hurdle that helps Apple against those who want a non-Apple Mac is that most people are not interested in diving into Unix's code and hacking it to run on a home made PC. Most people don't that kind of skill, time or patience. For the few that do however, there's really nothing worthwhile that Apple can do about it and it will have a totally insignificant effect a Apple's business.

mcgwd · Post by **mcgwd** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:27 pm

kwiz wrote:
FMiguelez wrote:.

Honestly, this is a great thing and I hope Apple loses.
If they lose I would think that it would force Apple to "think more differently" and come up with even greater way's to improve their next CPU offering.
They had to know that that cloning would eventually be an issue once they decided to go all Intel. To me the lawsuit is just a means of trying to trip up the competition. For us consumers, a $400 Mac Clone is a great 2nd, 3rd etc. machine to run VI's on. Or make a great first computer for our kids etc.

It might force Apple to drop prices on Mac Mini's and iMacs
So if they lose, we the consumer win!

I agree as well, the consumer will benefit and Apple better tread lightly as they have the spotlight on them more than ever.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:09 am

Psystar clones shipping?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.a ... d-shipping

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:36 am

Frodo wrote:Psystar clones shipping?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.a ... d-shipping

Pretty freaky, eh? What's Steve-0 going to do to protect the mothership? I detect a breach in the hull, and it's about the size of... well... the hull.

That's what he gets. It's the karma for putting out this wireless keyboard with no keypad, I'm sure.
(that's a joke. After all the good things Steve has unleashed into the world, I can live with one lousy mistake, and this little Apple Wireless (incomplete) Keyboard is definitely a lousy mistake) I've got both a new wired Apple Keyboard, and a new Wireless Apple Keyboard, and I love them both except for the function keys and the lack of a keypad on the wireless. But I'll make another thread out of that.
Back to the terrible Psystar that's breaching the hull of USS EnterpriseApple! I can feel the Apple Magic flowing from the hull. The incredible, precious Apple ThinkDifferent Switcher Macintosh Way MacWorld Logic Magic Elixer... the fuel of the Mother Ship! It's pouring out of the hull. It's been breached, man. We're all going to die! Well, in 70 years or so. Meanwhile, we may have to live with cheaper Macs. What if Apple quits making them altogether? That would mean that we'd be stuck at Leopard forever. That would mean that software development could focus on this one version and perfect something for a change, and we could just have this single kind of Mac forever. Not a bad place to stop, really, but it might soon go the way of BeOS, or Atari, or Apple ][ computers, or Opcode StudioVision. Kinda scary.

To say the least, the next 3 months ought to be very, very interesting.

Shooshie

williemyers · Post by **williemyers** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:11 am

This appears to be the first one to have actually been shipped and received by a user

http://gizmodo.com/384526/exclusive-vid ... n-the-wild

newrigel · Post by **newrigel** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:23 am

I know for a fact these would have a LOT more issues than a true Mac!

newrigel · Post by **newrigel** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:23 am

I'm going to quit using my damn iPhone to post with sorry...

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:04 am

Another interesting development:

The entire Psystar endeavor has encouraged Rob Griffin at Macworld to try a brave experiment-- called The Frankenmac! It's more of a blog than a walkthrough on how he rolled his own Mac clone.

http://www.macworld.com/article/133028- ... clone.html

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:25 am

Here's another one.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/m ... eopar.html

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:27 pm

Looks like the toothpaste is out of the tube. Psystar may be the least of Apple's worries.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:51 pm

And we think Apple didnt plan this. LOL. Steve is a smarter guy than we give him credit for. LOL.

OS X running on everything.

newrigel · Post by **newrigel** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:43 pm

Frodo wrote:Looks like the toothpaste is out of the tube. Psystar may be the least of Apple's worries.

Yeah kinda like running nitrous on a lawn mower he he!

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:11 pm

Frodo wrote:Looks like the toothpaste is out of the tube. Psystar may be the least of Apple's worries.

Yeah... but Steve is nothing if not a fighter. He'll get the engineers to figure out a way to break the OS on unauthorized platforms. I wouldn't touch a Psystar... well not unless you're willing to go with something that will ultimately break. True... you could never update the OS, but somehow or another apps may break as well down the line.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:22 pm

James Steele wrote:
Frodo wrote:Looks like the toothpaste is out of the tube. Psystar may be the least of Apple's worries.
Yeah... but Steve is nothing if not a fighter. He'll get the engineers to figure out a way to break the OS on unauthorized platforms. I wouldn't touch a Psystar... well not unless you're willing to go with something that will ultimately break. True... you could never update the OS, but somehow or another apps may break as well down the line.

No Twysted Psystar for me, thanks.

I just get the feeling that there's a lot more quiet cloning going on-- maybe not for sale, but for those not running intensive DAWs, etc., they may just be the very ones with less on their minds and more time on their hands to venture into...

<duh-duh-DUUUUUUUUUUH....>

The Attack of the Clones

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Thu May 01, 2008 10:56 am

Frodo wrote:Looks like the toothpaste is out of the tube.

Guys this is nothing new. It has been going on for a long while among home hobbyists. As soon as the intel macs came out, basically. (I doubt any of the hacintoshes are robust enough to work as DAWs)

If you want to see how long it has been going and get a sense of it, a couple links:

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

http://forum.insanelymac.com/

Apple is of course aware of it, there is a kext that gets installed with OS X that says "Don't Steal OSX."

Apple seems to have looked the other way and tolerated this among the DIY hobbyists. I am guessing Apple may see it as a positive in exposing Mac OS to those who normally wouldn't look at it.

Often what you see is people who mess with OSX86, and then say "This is great, I am getting a Real Mac!"

But when somebody tries to sell hardware as a Mac Clone, that seems like a whole different ballgame. We'll have to see what happens.