Is DP8 unusable?

[PJ]

I'd be interested to hear a quick rundown of what hardware everyone's using and if they are having a good or bad DP8 experience

I have DP8 in my rMBP. They are loving each other. But when I tried DP8 with my older i7 2.8GHz mid-10, it was way too slow.

[labman]

bad here Stuart. Horribly slow here compared to DP7.2x. Key commands and some mouse clicks intermittent. Window sets wayyyy slower to swap out. Running in 32 bit mode, in DP 8 the amount of ram can be a lot more for the exact same file. And DP8 window sets dont always reset to right size. Can hit the window set key multiple times and get differing results. And some just disappear when they should be there. Scrolling can be jumpy. jerky.

And this is on the fastest macpro made with a very nice video card.

[SteakMonster]

bad here Stuart. Horribly slow here compared to DP7.2x. Key commands and some mouse clicks intermittent. Window sets wayyyy slower to swap out. Running in 32 bit mode, in DP 8 the amount of ram can be a lot more for the exact same file. And DP8 window sets dont always reset to right size. Can hit the window set key multiple times and get differing results. And some just disappear when they should be there. Scrolling can be jumpy. jerky.

And this is on the fastest macpro made with a very nice video card.

OSX 10.7 and 8 handle memory differently to 10.6 Apple engineering have confirmed that. Maybe DP8 is optimised for 10.7 or 8... and maybe you won't see the benefits, or indeed issues that running on an older OS may cause unless you use DP in a certain way. So many variables. There should really have been a public beta program.

[Tobor]

There should really have been a public beta program.

This is it!

Thanks to all DP8 Pioneers for their input and trial, tribulation, and success stories. Something tells me it's not going to be too long before most of the kinks get worked out.

It's nice to see so many people working together without getting too bent about their occasional frustrations. Cooler heads perhaps due to a confidence MOTU has earned from the steady and solid performance evolution of DP7.

Tobor

[James Steele]

Problem is that until you release an app like DP out to the public, you simply can't have a large enough pool of testers to catch everything. I imagine some of these issues will be sorted out soon.

[Killahurts]

Yeah, what James said.

It seems like the bulk of the problems reported here, and my own experience, point to memory addressing, and possibly memory leaks.. I can't imagine it will be long before they fix it, and they may fix a myriad of problems all at one time.

One can only hope..

[Kubi]

There should really have been a public beta program.

There is - it's called "MOTUnation and .0 releases!"

[Stuartfox]

Can hit the window set key multiple times and get differing results. And some just disappear when they should be there. Scrolling can be jumpy. jerky..

Just to add, I never use window sets - they have always been problematic for me in 7, and scrolling always becomes slow when theres lots of ram in use, even if that ram is used by VEP not DP.. The explanation for this is the way OSX handles large memory regions, when there are several large blocks of memory being used, even minor calls get slower, for eg, a GUI call relating to a fader you move or something.

I have faith though - 10.8 plus an update or two from MOTU and our musical lives will be AWESOME!

[David Polich]

I've now spent three days working exclusively in DP8/32 bit/OSX 10.6.8. I'm really not having any problems. I never run more than one VI at a time, I always record a VI's part as audio and then remove the VI as soon as I can, so all my projects are essentially 100% audio tracks. I am running Stylus
RMX as VST and that is working fine. VEPro 5 working fine. Altiverb MAS
working fine. No problems with losing keyboard focus. Scrolling is just a
teensy bit jerky, but not a deal-killer.

It's pretty solid on both my MacPro and my MacBook.

[Timeline]

So I see many of you have not taken the ML plunge as of yet. Would like to see comments on DP8 and ML operations please.

[James Steele]

About Window Sets: I use them but always had to invoke a Window Set TWICE to get the windows to position correctly. Oddly enough, for the brief time I had Lion on my machine, the problem disappeared. I think it was something having to do with the OS.

[labman]

About Window Sets: I use them but always had to invoke a Window Set TWICE to get the windows to position correctly.

Ah yes James. We have had that happen too.

[labman]

Just to add, I never use window sets - they have always been problematic for me in 7

so are you using consolidated Stuart???

[buzzsmith]

I get a lot done in DP8 when I don't spend my time here writing about it, so it's not unusable. But the keyboard focus issue really is annoying. As in… I may have to cave in and go back to DP7.24 if they don't come out with a fix soon.
Shoosh

A little off topic...Shooshie...what's the status of RND Inspector XL with your DP8/OSX setup?

Buzzy

[Shooshie]

I get a lot done in DP8 when I don't spend my time here writing about it, so it's not unusable. But the keyboard focus issue really is annoying. As in… I may have to cave in and go back to DP7.24 if they don't come out with a fix soon.
Shoosh

A little off topic...Shooshie...what's the status of RND Inspector XL with your DP8/OSX setup?

Buzzy

Well, I never used the RND versions. Mine are actually still the Elemental Audio. Unfortunately, they've departed now that I've moved to 64 bits. I suppose if I had a bridge, I could still use them, since they are still in the folder.

Shoosh