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I'll be waiting till the end of the day for the UPS guy to deliver mine. Whatever day that might be.

Do I have any reason to fear that DP 8 will not be 10.6.8 friendly

It's not for me to say...

Obviously no one knows for sure, but typically, new programs are much more likely to run on old OSs then the other way around, because the developers can take into account the inconsistencies of the old OS, but it doesn't work the other way around. From what I can see, the basic architecture hasn't changed much since 10.6.8, and I'm pretty sure the audio system hasn't been screwed with at all. Unlike 10.4 to 10.5, which was brutal on the audio world. That plus the fact that quite a substantial number of audio professionals are still using 10.6.8, and I think we can be fairly certain that MOTU will make it compatible. I don't think it would be hard for MOTU to make it 10.6 compatible, and they have a large enough percentage of their user base to make it worthwhile.

But that being said, who knows what really happens. Waves V8 doesn't work on ML... though as I mentioned, that's fairly common with old software and new OSs.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:In most cases I would agree but 64 is a big friggin deal, IMO.

Agreed - looking forward to not having any restrictions in my RAM usage - but some of my most important plugs aren't 64-bit ready yet (SoundToys, Abbey Road), so I'd have to wait anyway... and VE Pro provides a great workaround for the time being.

And DP7.24 is the best DP version in the history of the app, so I'm in no hurry to jump ship!

Kubi wrote: but some of my most important plugs aren't 64-bit ready yet (SoundToys, Abbey Road), so I'd have to wait anyway... and VE Pro provides a great workaround for the time being.

As will Plogue Bidule. I doubt my Korg legacy plugs will ever be updated to 64.

or B4-II, or some of the smaller, home-grown VIs I own...

basically, I'll never be able to use DP8 in 64bit, unless they build in a bridge.

Well, clearly you can use DP 8 but choose not to use the bridges that are already in place. The additional RAM as well as some very nice added features like the video stuff (at least that's the impression from the chatter) would seem to be must haves for me. PB is about $100.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Well, clearly you can use DP 8 but choose not to use the bridges that are already in place. The additional RAM as well as some very nice added features like the video stuff (at least that's the impression from the chatter) would seem to be must haves for me. PB is about $100.

I didn't realize PB was that cheap, it must have fallen in price since I last checked. That's DEFINITELY an option, and probably a very good one. I knew there were options, but I didn't realize there were any within my budget. VE Pro is way off my radar, for instance.

Prime Mover wrote:

MIDI Life Crisis wrote: VE Pro is way off my radar, for instance.

best, perhaps, to leave it there (off your radar, that is...) VEPro5 has some *serious* issues with DP (7.42) http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/34.aspx

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:PB is about $100.

The last thing I want, after paying for the DP upgrade, is to have to cough up another $100 or more for a third party bridge solution and to then overly complicate my projects.

I expect *there is* going to be a workable bridge solution, and I really hope that it is efficient. The whole point of a 64-bit DP is to finally make it possible to run everything within the same project without having to do things the hard way. And what a dream that will be.

I'm gonna write to Abbey Road with a 64-bit plugin update request and also suggest a couple of improvements I would like to see added to their plugins.

Hopefully SoundToys 64-bit plugins will be ready soon. They have been working on them for quite a while and are committed to getting the job done.

PB was $75 when I bought it. It's a very deep program with some great features. I think you can download the fully functional demo. It's pretty cool and will save me lots of grief if/when DP8 is released.

zed wrote:
I expect *there is* going to be a workable bridge solution, and I really hope that it is efficient..

That would be ideal! Yes, PB does add a layer of complexity. Not horrific but it does require some setup.

zed wrote:The last thing I want, after paying for the DP upgrade, is to have to cough up another $100 or more for a third party bridge solution and to then overly complicate my projects.

I expect *there is* going to be a workable bridge solution, and I really hope that it is efficient. The whole point of a 64-bit DP is to finally make it possible to run everything within the same project without having to do things the hard way. And what a dream that will be.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The point of an upgrade is an UP-grade, not a sideways-grade. Improving performance is a great motive, but if it comes at the cost of major feature loss (in this case, quite a few plugins), then it's not necessarily an improvement. You gain something and lose something, that's not an upgrade. When I pay money for a piece of software, I expect to have every feature I had up until that point, and then some new ones. Now, that may not always be the case, but it SHOULD BE. If not, it's something the company should be very clear about. And don't give me that, "well, boot up in 32-bit mode" because that basically defeats the purpose of buying DP8 in the first place.

I think in this case you could cut MOTU some slack. They didn't remove anything. It's the vendors who haven't moved to 64 bit whom you should direct your comments.

If MOTU offers a bridge to 32 bit plugs I'd be impressed. Now if they also included a working 48k CD burner and updated the notation window, now THAT would be somethin', really would be somethin'.