Waves 9 NOT COMPATIBLE with DP!

[hammerman]

If you let your WUP expire, are you screwed? I really haven't researched this, but can you pay for an upgrade just like most programs? Or do you have to WUP or purchase the program all over again?

Think of WUP as the upgrade. For example, I have the Broadcast & Production Bundle and a few other Waves plug-ins. They recently expired. I will pay $200 (that's the max) to upgrade to Waves 9. I will not renew until DP8 is out and fully tested with Waves 9.

[rhythm_kitchen]

Folks bummed out about this should wait til march madness is over and call. Who knows what TS has discovered.

I was worried Waves would end support of RTAS and TDM which is good news that is overlooked at the moment.

Isn't this just growing pains for 64 bit reality? Then AVID stirs the pot with AAX yet for years everyone is shouting ADC 64 bit. ADC 64 bit!

So maybe the work-around temporarily is to run a host via rewire slave? Also heard Waves are assisting non-supported DAW installations for Waves 9.

The guys in Knoxville seemed to be very sympathetic to DP users immediate plight and relayed that the entire company is bummed by this temporary problem and not just because: "DP users are a HUGE portion of our business" but because they truly sounded genuine.

[hammerman]

Waves just added this little tidbit:

"V9 does not yet support Digital Performer."

Couldn't the tech person who answered my initial email have told me that, rather than being so uninformative?

http://www.wavesupport.net/content.aspx?id=93

[slybass3000]

I guess it is because V9 supports 64 bits and DP is not up there yet. May be in DP8.

[Shooshie]

So far I say this is all much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teacup, and I'm one who has vented a lot of rage at Waves in the past. It's a big company, and it doesn't always time its releases to perfectly mesh with each and every one of its compatible hosts. Since we're moving on to 64 bit, like it or not, Waves has finished their complete Cocoa programming. MOTU has not done this yet in DP, but DP 8 has been announced (at NAMM) and will be here within a month or two, you can be assured. Well, I guess I can't say that with authority. It could be summer or fall before they actually release it. Depends on how many problems they have with final testing, and all that. After the flawless release of DP7, I'm guessing that MOTU has a new attitude about beta testing, which is to do it before the product is released rather than make us the beta testers. That's a good thing.

So, DP 8 and Waves 9 did not get released at the same time. Big deal. Use Waves 8 until that happens. I'm still enjoying the stability of DP7 and Waves 8. Wonderful stuff, there.

As for WUP, it caps out at $200, no matter how many products and bundles you own. That's $200 per account. An account means one customer. Whereas a few years ago you could spend a LOT of money renewing WUP, now you don't have to worry about exceeding the $200 cap. I have a lot of Waves products, so I'm pretty happy about that. Still, that means upgrading DP and Waves will cost about $400, unless it can happen before my WUP expires, so I'm hoping for sooner rather than later, but hey, after well over two and a half decades of this stuff, I know the drill. $200 is not a deal killer. In fact, when you're making a living with this stuff, it's a drop in the bucket. A couple hours work.

If DP8 does not fix the problem, then we'll re-evaluate our situation and start harassing Waves a bit. If the problem isn't fixed within a couple of months of that date, then we can start getting more upset and venting our rage, leaving Waves for the last time again, and swearing we'll never use another Waves product, at least until it's fixed. Until then, save your breath. It won't help to complain, and you still have options that work, so what's the point?

Patience, my friends…


Shooshie

[AnthonyS]

Just to let everyone know, I decided to update my Waves plugs to ver 9 on my recently purchased 2011 MacBook Pro. Don't have any critical projects on this machine. Wanted to get some of those $49 deals before they expired, so I decided to try an experiment. I run DP7.24 and Logic Pro 9.1.6 on this particular machine (Logic in 32 bit mode).

The newly purchased plug worked fine in Logic, so I decided to upgrade them all, even though it clearly states on Waves' site the version 9 plugs don't support Digital Performer.

Once I updated all the plugs to ver 9, did the new licensing scheme (very cool, BTW) they all passed validation in Logic pro and I was able to open a new project and use them. Figuring they might not pass DP7's validation, I went ahead anyway. What the heck, right? To my surprise, not only did they pass the validation, but I was able to insert and use them without issue. No crashes, no error messages, nothing. Smooth sailing.

Just my experience. Your results may vary of course, and I'm going to postpone the upgrading on my main machine with the iLok and critical projects until DP8 and/or full compatibility. No sense pushing my luck. But I just say it it nice not to have the dongle tying up a port on my MBP!!!!!

Ant

[jpmason]

I upgraded to Waves 9 and like many others, DP7.24 has become a "crash fest" which doesn't always follow the same "rules" for each crash....removing plug-ins is the biggest culprit although command B does seem to work for me (thanks whoever stumbled over that little nugget).
The plug-ins themselves still seem to work as expected, but recording and mixing with a "time bomb" isn't a great deal of fun!
I have no-idea if, or how, I can revert to Waves 8 (help anyone?) so perhaps I will just have to wait for DP8 and hope they don't screw us over with an upgrade price!

Looks like I have painted myself into a corner....Doh!

Any ideas on regression to Waves 8....

[davedempsey]

Any ideas on regression to Waves 8....

Open WLC, send the version 9 authorization back to the cloud, run the V9 uninstaller, re-install V8 and use the iLok authorization like you always have... no problem.

[AnthonyS]

[quote="jpmason"]I upgraded to Waves 9 and like many others, DP7.24 has become a "crash fest" which doesn't always follow the same "rules" for each crash....removing plug-ins is the biggest culprit although command B does seem to work for me (thanks whoever stumbled over that little nugget).
The plug-ins themselves still seem to work as expected, but recording and mixing with a "time bomb" isn't a great deal of fun!
I have no-idea if, or how, I can revert to Waves 8 (help anyone?) so perhaps I will just have to wait for DP8 and hope they don't screw us over with an upgrade price!

I doubt Waves will screw you over with an upgrade price when DP8 is released, if that's what you're talking about. There is no cost to upgrade Waves from ver 8 to ver 9 if you're a registered Waves user.

I obviously don't recommend what I did to anyone. I just felt like throwing caution to the wind on a gamble, and it worked out.

I can report a bug however. If you save and close DP with the Waves plugin GUI visible, it will crash DP. The workaround is to close the plugin before saving or exiting DP.

[jpmason]

In terms of regression to Waves 8, I contacted waves tech support and they suggested exactly what Davedempsey suggested (thanks Dave) but may have missed out one vital step,to send licences back to the cloud.

I gave it a try (without the missing step) and it all went badly wrong, dp saw all waves plugins as invalid, so I reverted back to V9.....and am limping along with my "Buckaroo" version of dp....

I will try to revert again tomorrow using all the steps, and give an update here in case anyone is interested.

In response to AnthonyS, I was actually referring to MOTU potentially screwing us over for the upgrade...but they are so lovely, I'm sure they wont

[jpmason]

Nope....my regression plan failed miserably, for some reason DP would not validate the plug-ins (and yes my iLok was inserted and working), so I'm back on Buckaroo V9...c'mon MOTU I NEED DP8 now!
...Please

[AnthonyS]

I doubt MOTU will screw us over with the upgrade, and even if they haven't addressed the Waves version 9 compatibility, I'm sure there will be a patch forthcoming.

And I knew fully well that there was an issue and went ahead with the upgrade anyway!!! So I was prepared for anything. Like I said in my earlier post, i wasn't doing this on my main machine.

Hope you clear up the issues. If not, I'm sure DP8 isn't far away!!!!!!

Ant

[ghobish]

I doubt MOTU will screw us over with the upgrade, and even if they haven't addressed the Waves version 9 compatibility, I'm sure there will be a patch forthcoming.

DP8 will not need a "patch." The whole issue is Waves 9 is Cocoa and DP7 is not. I don't see this as a Waves issue at all- were they supposed to wait until MOTU modernized it's code before upgrading their line to 64-bit?

And re WUP: As noted earlier, Waves revised it's system so that now no matter how out of date you are, it will be a max of $200 to get up-to-date, and that includes all of the newer plug-ins that have been added to your bundles since the last time you were up-to-date. Not a bad deal at all.

[Dan Worley]

I couldn't risk updating to V9, but Waves has been good at downgrading my recent demos and purchases to V8. I just wrote and asked them to do so. I couldn't spend any money on their plugs otherwise.

[ghobish]

I have no-idea if, or how, I can revert to Waves 8 (help anyone?) so perhaps I will just have to wait for DP8 and hope they don't screw us over with an upgrade price!

You've already got Waves 9, how can they "screw you over with an upgrade price" at this point? You should be able to remove V9 components (AU Waveshells, preferences and caches) manually, reinstall V8 (the V8 licenses are still on your iLok and valid, and they will not interfere with each other) and then just reinstall V9 once you get DP8 going.