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I doubt it....

Michael Canavan wrote:

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I'd settle for one great version. Make that one functional version.

No offense to you or anybody with problems, but it's been one seemingly major drawback to OSX and intel moves by Apple

And no offense taken. We're talking about a DAW, not a romantic partner. LOL. Now if OS X screwed up DP 5.13 I'd have to agree, but the problems I and others have are symptomatic to DeeP 6 only. A couple of nagging bugs persist in all versions of all software this complex, but there are a few really big ones in DeeP 6 that renders it useless in my studio. I know I am not alone in this. Some are not so vocal about all but abandoning DeeP 6 and even purchasing Logic (which is generally considered a disaster by comparison - even to DP 5).

I'm pretty good with the OS and keep my machines running well (my main machine is a G5 dual 2.0 PPC running 10.5.8). No other programs give me anywhere near as much grief as DeeP 6 has. The only programs in the past that have been as useless to me have been poorly written freeware or shareware that I can just as easily dismiss and delete when they don't perform. But I make a good part of my living from DP and can't risk an unstable program based solely on brand loyalty.

mlehmann wrote:Funny enough, I posted this info two hours earlier but my post was deleted...

You should ask James or Shooshie (the moderators of this section) about that. It happens.

mlehmann wrote:Funny enough, I posted this info two hours earlier but my post was deleted...

You should ask James or Shooshie (the moderators of this section) about that. It happens.

I understand that info could be considered as false and I didn't have the time to post a screengrab before the post was deleted. Since I'm not active that much here, that probably didn't help. Anyway, I'm glad someone posted it again, I think this is important news for the MOTU community.

mlehmann wrote:Anyway, I'm glad someone posted it again, I think this is important news for the MOTU community.

Me too. It's not just important to me, it's mission critical. The slant towards "guitar" is troubling. The existing VIs (as noted by others before in this thread) are useless ballast in DP. The "premium" MOTU VIs I have are great (M5 and MX4). No longer essential with other stuff I've bought, but still extremely useful to me.

I will NEVER use the guitar stuff in DP 7. NEVER. And frankly, seeing it move in that direction (if that is indeed what it is doing) would be heartbreaking if it were a person; kind of like seeing Bosendorfer move into the toy piano market.

TIme will tell and perhaps it is a marketing ploy to attract a younger, "hipper" audience. But "old folks" like me who compose and record for a living should not be marginalized or under estimated as advocates for sales. I hope that is not the trend here. Our money is just as green.

Let the seller beware!

Okay, I can't help but add my 2 cents to the party here.

First of all, MOTU isn't in this alone. They are having to keep up with Apple who loves to obsolete technology. The whole move to 64 bit is a big one, one which only Intel users will have the luxury of taking, and DP7 may take advantage of it. No doubt MOTU has been working on that feverishly, even if it is not apparent in 7, and DP6 has been neglected as a result. It's not right, but for a small company like MOTU, they probably had to put all their resources into R&D, not updates.

Second, this ad, which Sweetwater released, not MOTU, really said very little about the upgrade. Sweetwater probably doesn't know anymore than we do at this point. If DP7 is still not out for several months, there's a lot MOTU can do with it. Remember when they "surprise released" pitch correction? That was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. MOTU is notorious for those last minute feature updates.

I can't imagine MOTU releasing DP7 with stomp boxes being the primary selling point. Good luck with that! But if it's 64 bit, fixes a bunch of bugs, and has these other features, plus some we are unaware of, we may all be singing MOTU's praises, even if us PPC users are left in the cold.

Bottomline: I wouldn't make much of this ad. There's still a lot we don't know and very little was said. This may be the version we've all been waiting for... maybe not

Well MLC I agree with some of your points over the last few months but I think you are being a little harsh here as it's a one page advert and the full list has not been released yet.

Also I dare say they are still writing it and who knows what they will add over the coming months.

But surely lead sheet creation, chord symbols are a good sign for the more serious user.



My five cents really.

Splinter wrote: I can't imagine MOTU releasing DP7 with stomp boxes being the primary selling point. Good luck with that! But if it's 64 bit, fixes a bunch of bugs, and has these other features, plus some we are unaware of, we may all be singing MOTU's praises, even if us PPC users are left in the cold.

Bottomline: I wouldn't make much of this ad. There's still a lot we don't know and very little was said. This may be the version we've all been waiting for... maybe not

Frankly, if DP 7 was released rock solid in the Intel world I'd run off to the Apple store and come home with an Intel machine this morning. The upgrade price for DP 7 doesn't phase me, nor would the $3k+ I'd put into a new machine. I truly hope that is the case. Functional equipment and software is not optional for me.

RE: the ad - why would the marketing folks at MOTU mark up the ad as they did if gtr pedals weren't their marketing focus? OK, much of this thread is hyperbole, but this is not like EQ or others made this stuff up. Clearly, it comes from MOTU. And ad space is not free. Someone had to pay for the ads.

MOTU?

I don't expect that the distributors or publications are going to say a word. Certainly the beta testers are sworn to silence so we'll have to wait and see what happens. At least we know that MOTU is planning something!

I think MOTU is just trying to follow Logic and others with that move towards guitar players and I think they're wrong. I'm a guitarist actually and I don't care about this because there's already plenty of great third-party solutions. In fact, Logic 9 did just that and it's pathetic. It may look great but is sounds like sh..

However, like I said earlier, inline EQ and Dynamics is huge for me. And what I'd really like is DP to be as CPU-efficient as Logic.

kassonica wrote:Well MLC I agree with some of your points over the last few months but I think you are being a little harsh here as it's a one page advert and the full list has not been released yet.

Also I dare say they are still writing it and who knows what they will add over the coming months.

But surely lead sheet creation, chord symbols are a good sign for the more serious user.



My five cents really.

Mr. Kassonica, clearly we are friends. I always appreciate your views and appreciate your 'temperance.' Yes, I've been harsh. Critical. Some might even say 'cantankerous.' If I were the only person forced to abandon DP 6, I'd swallow my words and move on - but I am not. Again, others are not so vocal in public. In my previous message I said that the upgrade price doesn't phase me. That is, of course, if the upgrade is worth the price (read: functional). The $$$ I paid for DP 6 was a total loss for me - so yes, I'm more than a little angry. I can deal with tight lipped companies. I can deal with more than a year between the announcement of MachFive 2 and its release. But I cannot accept a "new" version of DP while the current version holds the door to my studio open. That's really at the center of my anger towards MOTU. MakeMusic has done similar things with Finale. I skipped a few versions because of it and may skip DP versions for a while as well if my fears become realized.

As for "lead sheet creation, chord symbols" being "a good sign for the more serious user" I have to say if you're serious about writing music and you depend on your DAW to score it, you're not as "serious" as you might think. Notation is a whole other beast and best left to a notation program. If you haven't tried that yet, please do so. It's a world of difference.

OK, bud. Be well. TTYL.

mlehmann wrote:I think MOTU is just trying to follow Logic and others with that move towards guitar players and I think they're wrong. I'm a guitarist actually and I don't care about this because there's already plenty of great third-party solutions. In fact, Logic 9 did just that and it's pathetic. It may look great but is sounds like sh..

However, like I said earlier, inline EQ and Dynamics is huge for me. And what I'd really like is DP to be as CPU-efficient as Logic.

EGGACTLY!

Mike Mortilla

http://www.midilifecrisis.com

My feeling on the subject is, DP 6 has been out barely over a year, and while some people are comparing this to 5, it should be pointed out that, by the time DP 5 was retired, it was up to version 5.13, and likely as stable as it was going to get. You honestly can't say the same thing about 6 -- they've only bothered to release two updates, and since 6's release, their tech department has become notoriously hard to get ahold of. It's all fine and well to say "They were busy developing 7", but to do so at the expense of everyone who paid to upgrade to 6, and even in the face of bad tech support, hold on with the thinking that MOTU would eventually sort it all out and that their patience would be rewarded with comprehensive upgrades that would fix many of DP 6's problems, is just terrible.

On the surface of it, we're already going "Wow, built in Q!" (just like we were going "Wow, free convolution reverb!" a year or so ago), but a) it sounds like the people who will benefit the most from this are people running Snow Leopard on fast Intel machines, which may be many of us, but certainly isn't all of us, and b) given how shoddy both DP 6 and its users got treated, I'm not sure I can risk paying for another major upgrade that only gets one or two updates, limited to zero tech support and the acute possibility that my system may not even be able to support it properly. If they couldn't get it completely together with DP 6, how am I supposed to believe that DP 7 has it completely together?!? Weren't we pondering a year ago that they might have been too hasty in even putting DP 6 out on the market? And now that it's here ... shouldn't they have worried more about ironing out the wrinkles in this version before rushing the next version out?!?

Mr. Quimper wrote:Perhaps, in the spirit of Snow Leopard, we'll see DP7 as a $30 upgrade.

One can hope.

That could only be possible if they don't print a new manual that things got to be worth $50 alone.

I don't care what bells and whistles they put in, there's already lots I don't use just make it solid.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:RE: the ad - why would the marketing folks at MOTU mark up the ad as they did if gtr pedals weren't their marketing focus? OK, much of this thread is hyperbole, but this is not like EQ or others made this stuff up. Clearly, it comes from MOTU. And ad space is not free. Someone had to pay for the ads.

MOTU?

Actually, no. This is a Sweetwater ad. Sweetwater frequently comes up with their own ads that MOTU never mocked up. If you look at the rest of the ad, they are selling microphones, monitors, and other crap, too. No doubt, Sweetwater's got some inside scoop, but their info may be very preliminary, and stomp boxes seemed like the key feature.

I'm really indifferent to whether DP has stomp boxes or not. I have Amplitube and it kicks a**. But I do want a version of DP that works and is solid, damnit! I'm really falling behind the upgrade cycle. My studio computer still has DP4.61 and Panther for crying out loud... but I am going to upgrade it to Leo and 5.13. Right now I just can't bring myself to upgrade to DP6, and with PPCs on the way out, I probably will be shut out from DP7. DP7 would have to be the mother of all DAWs for me to buy a new machine and upgrade everything.

wylie1 wrote:

Mr. Quimper wrote:Perhaps, in the spirit of Snow Leopard, we'll see DP7 as a $30 upgrade.

One can hope.

That could only be possible if they don't print a new manual that things got to be worth $50 alone.

I don't care what bells and whistles they put in, there's already lots I don't use just make it solid.

Maybe the days of the PDF manual are approaching?

Splinter wrote: This is a Sweetwater ad. Sweetwater frequently comes up with their own ads that MOTU never mocked up.

Doesn't 'splain the EQ ad... oh well, we'll see <sigh>

mlehmann wrote:I think MOTU is just trying to follow Logic and others with that move towards guitar players and I think they're wrong.

I don't think MOTU has much of a choice but to include some stuff like this to remain competitive. There's probably a significant number of semi-pros or hobbyists who'd be attracted by guitar-oriented plug-ins, and that's probably why they're positioned prominently in the ads. I don't fault MOTU for that, as long as they've done at least something to improve stability, ease-of-use, and workflow. The other features listed in the ad sound like a good start.

If MOTU does as good a job with these guitar-oriented plug-ins as they did with things like the Masterworks EQ, and (from what I've read) the MW Leveler, I'd be glad to have them around, since I haven't yet invested in third-party versions. And they can be used for things other than guitars.