Calling BS on Overpriced Cables

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Jim wrote:Hell, I'll do the same thing. I offer a million to anybody who can prove that buying an iPhone makes you cool.
All right... pay up!

Well... wait a minute. You said "...BUYING an iPhone makes you cool." I'm saying "USING an iPhone can make you cool," BUT... I can prove it. I was in Phoenix recently, where the temp was 118 in the shade (and damned hard to find the shade!), so my friend and I used her iPhone for real-time Google maps, which we used to plot a course into the mountains where the temp was a nice, cool 69 degrees F. I've got the trip recorded in a slide show at my website.

Most definitely a provable case of iPhone usage making us cool.

:D

Shall I drop by this afternoon and bring my wheel barrow for the small bills?

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Matcher wrote:Yes, this brings us to an interesting subject, what is paranormal-- where to draw the line? Does it require somekind of a divine unique form? I suspect all the instances promising the money for paranormal stuff have their terms and conditions pretty well defined, so that even though something can not be explained, it can be labeled as being normal by a subjective interpretation of the available facts.
That's why I dragged the "divine" into it. I will concede that by human standards, Tammet's calculating abilities ARE super-natural, if you accept the condition that it's not natural or normal to have his math skills, and the prefix "super" means something like "above and beyond." Most "normal" Americans, for example, have a sixth grade math competency level. So, I'd accept your point about him having supernatural ability, with the understanding that the word "supernatural" can have more than one definition. And it's the existence of the two definitions that can cause confusion. My bad if I misunderstood your point.
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rentadrummer wrote:
Jim wrote: Hell, I'll do the same thing. I offer a million to anybody who can prove that buying an iPhone makes you cool.
No offense, but from what you've said in the past, you're still using a crank phone and have to ask Sarah the operator to connect you to Aunt Bee. I'm not sure you'd be the best judge of iPhone coolness. :D

And, no, I don't have an iPhone.
That's very funny, Ron. I got a chuckle.

And in my book, you not having an iPhone makes you cool.

But, I can't prove it.
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Shooshie wrote:
Jim wrote:Hell, I'll do the same thing. I offer a million to anybody who can prove that buying an iPhone makes you cool.
All right... pay up!

Well... wait a minute. You said "...BUYING an iPhone makes you cool." I'm saying "USING an iPhone can make you cool," BUT... I can prove it. I was in Phoenix recently, where the temp was 118 in the shade (and damned hard to find the shade!), so my friend and I used her iPhone for real-time Google maps, which we used to plot a course into the mountains where the temp was a nice, cool 69 degrees F. I've got the trip recorded in a slide show at my website.

Most definitely a provable case of iPhone usage making us cool.

:D

Shall I drop by this afternoon and bring my wheel barrow for the small bills?

Shooshie
Let's see, how shall I weasel out of this one: I already maintained that you were cool by wearing the big bulky headphones and not caring how you looked. So, my case is that you were already cool before you used your friend's iPhone. And my staff of lawyers informs me that the phone only enabled your temperature coolness; your legs are what propelled you into the mountains.

Where's the slide show link?


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Shooshie wrote:

In the end, I'd LOVE to see a foolproof double-blind test in which someone could:
a) tell the difference between cables, and
b) identify which is the better one

I would place my bets that Randi will keep his $1 million.

Shooshie
Good points Shooshie.

Anyway, for the real info, let's ask our own monkey man, cable wizard extradonaire who compares the circuit board wiring to traditional wiring:

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As you can see he has done some detailed testing:

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Looks like his verdict is the old tech wins:

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It's Friday, time to celebrate Monkey Style:

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Jim wrote: Let's see, how shall I weasel out of this one: I already maintained that you were cool by wearing the big bulky headphones and not caring how you looked. So, my case is that you were already cool before you used your friend's iPhone. And my staff of lawyers informs me that the phone only enabled your temperature coolness; your legs are what propelled you into the mountains.

Where's the slide show link?
Well, it's actually the one I posted a while back regarding the death of my friend, Ariel. But the vast majority of it is actually about a trip to the mountains, so if you want to look, it's here:

http://web.mac.com/shoosh

Hit play, and just skip past the cemetary scenes. I should make a new page that's just about the scenery. All the stuff about grief seems distant to me now, which I hope is the way it's supposed to be.

Anyway... back to our regularly schedule sniping about cables and hoaxes.

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Thank you Billy for mentioning my research; your all-inclusive gesture is, as always, well timed and much appreciated *.

I can confirm that the newer, "techie" board shattered when I threw it against the wall in a landmark, paradigm-revolutionising, drunken stupor after consuming the ale.
I'd been eating bananas all day so I had a head start on my BAC. :D

* Full appreciation of this observation can be gained by the reading of the first series of the Monkey Chronicles:
Out of Africa Part 1 - The introduction of Technology to Jungleville and the Subsequent Troubleshooting Nightmare.

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monkey man wrote:Thank you Billy for mentioning my research; your all-inclusive gesture is, as always, well timed and much appreciated *.

I can confirm that the newer, "techie" board shattered when I threw it against the wall in a landmark, paradigm-revolutionising, drunken stupor after consuming the ale.
I'd been eating bananas all day so I had a head start on my BAC. :D

* Full appreciation of this observation can be gained by the reading of the first series of the Monkey Chronicles:
Out of Africa Part 1 - The introduction of Technology to Jungleville and the Subsequent Troubleshooting Nightmare.
It was time for some more monkey humor. Anyway, what I really want to know is why are you monkeying around the inside of this computer while it is still plugged into the electrical outlet?

Were you doing a cover rendition of Shock the Monkey? ;-)

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billf wrote:It was time for some more monkey humor. Anyway, what I really want to know is why are you monkeying around the inside of this computer while it is still plugged into the electrical outlet?
Well, I'm such a pro, I know what I'm doing.
In-situ testing is an integral part of my work, and besides, the odd little shock has helped raise my IQ and keep me sharp. :D
billf wrote:Were you doing a cover rendition of Shock the Monkey? ;-)
Actually, it was the uncovered chassis version; I figured a few Real World * shocks would be appropriate for authenticity's sake.

* Peter Gabriel's studio name, funnily enough:
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monkey man wrote: Well, I'm such a pro, I know what I'm doing.
In-situ testing is an integral part of my work, and besides, the odd little shock has helped raise my IQ and keep me sharp. :D
Even more impressive, you do your best work after consuming a litre of that fine ale. 8)
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billf wrote:
monkey man wrote: Well, I'm such a pro, I know what I'm doing.
In-situ testing is an integral part of my work, and besides, the odd little shock has helped raise my IQ and keep me sharp. :D
Even more impressive, you do your best work after consuming a litre of that fine ale. 8)
LOL! Inspiration can come in many forms, Billy; your encouragement, for one. :D

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Thanks for the link, Ron. Look at some of the replies, and you'll get an idea of the problems Framer will face in collecting the cash. A sample of one person? He has a 50/50 chance of picking the right cable.

Not good enough.

But, it will no doubt be interesting to see how this plays out.


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Jim wrote:A sample of one person? He has a 50/50 chance of picking the right cable.

Not good enough.
It's also not how the test is done. The subject (i.e. the claimant) has to be able to consistently pick out the expensive cable, with a margin of error small enough to rule out chance. I.e. if he picks the wrong cable one time out of twenty, that could be an acceptable error margin, but if he picks the wrong cable eight times, that's not good enough -- a 12:8 ratio is well within a normal margin of error for random results, and he's shown that he can't hear a difference (even if he picked the right cable more often, it's not often enough to be significant).

Also, the claimant is supposed to say "I can't hear any difference" when he can't hear any difference, and not take a wild stab at guessing. But with a million dollar and one's reputation on the line, my wild guess is that there's going to be plenty of wild guesses.

Or, more likely, I predict that the claimant will pull out once the rules have been made clear, and he realizes that there's no way he can win unless he's a clairvoyant bat.
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