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sdfalk wrote:Guess Im not most users...

not trying to sound condescending at all,

do you have any 3rd party VU's? or Reason?

Do you think the DP VI's compare?

best-

Peter

model 12 is pretty good. Add round robin/multi sample and it'd be on par w/battery.

nanosampler/proton/modulo all pretty good. polysynth is above average, but it's a simple vi, so...not much you can do about that. bassline is pretty weak. But then anything less then a full 303 is going to be pretty weak as well.

But, if I think they are good, why do most people think they suck? Do I suck? Probably! My thinking is that folks think the vi are lacking due to:
a) lack of presets; in the day and age when a free VI has over 1000 (crystal etc) a sprinkling is not going to impress folks
b) lack of effects; most vis include some kind of built in effect engine, which if you listen carefully, is used for maximum impact (que house organ hits). I don't think that DP's do, though I never really looked that closely.
c) Lack of built in gate/arp (que trance chords)

1. vi/low buffer optimization, core audio optimization.
2. sidechaining in au's (though i find it ridiculous that apple left this out of the standard in the first place...)
3. native bwav support. 32float bwav would be even better.
4. waveforms drawn whilst recording.
5. audio track transparency/color options, so you can make either the whole box or just the waveform whatever color, and as transparent as you'd like, so you could see the grid through it for faster editing.
6. skinnable gui, or as mentioned before, a "contrast" knob, to tone it down a bit. it does seem a little bright sometimes...
7. better metering. great suggestion.
8. better src/dither.
9. more framerate support, as well as 32k support for those of us who've been so unfortunate as to receive imovie dv's with 32khz audio. had to use metro for that one...
10. i'm not particularly concerned with plugs or vi's, but i do think that they existing plugs should be brought on par with mweq.
11. resizable transport bar.
12. selecting a track follows to the TO, SE, Mixer, MIDI Editor. The selected track should not be "forgotten" when you change windows.
13. more simple, intuitive sample editor, ala sample editor (audiofile) or peak le, or somesuch.
14. easier and more thorough "MIDI learn/assign". particularly for transport and plugs.
15. allow the disabling of phrase parsing, and just allow MIDI in blocks as recorded (also allowing cutting up and moving around, etc).
16. i suppose i'd also like the SE to be expanded optionally, to include features of the TO and mixer for those less comfy with bouncing around windows...with the influx of cubase refugees, i'd suspect a "one-stop shop" se would be more comfortable. as it is now, i leave the se, mixer and MIDI editor open at all times, so i can do what i need between these 3 in the CW...not quite the same, but close enough for me.
17. please fix the drum editor so you can use pencil/brush tools without dp blowing away notes...
18. a pdf manual. (Just kidding!)

kell

PeterMcCStrat wrote:

sdfalk wrote:Guess Im not most users...

not trying to sound condescending at all,

do you have any 3rd party VU's? or Reason?

Do you think the DP VI's compare?

best-

Peter

You don't sound condescending at all Peter..

I have various softsynths from pluggo, Cameleon 5000, linplug, Mode,Tassman etc.
I wouldn't put DP's included soft synths on a par with any of them.
That's not really the point though.
For soft synths included with DP at a very reasonable price, I think
they sound fine.
I even use Nanosampler on occasion in sound design projects on
films.
Very useful for triggering sfx via MIDI controller.
There all very CPU efficient and very useful (for me obviously)
for many different tasks.
I'm re-using a bunch of old LM-4 Drum samples with the new DP
drum machine.
Maybe it's cause I'm more of the weirdo sound-design/experiment/
pull sound apart guy, then musician..I dunno..
I get a huge kick out of tweaking simple stuff to get the most out of it.
OR I'm 40 and my ears are going!!!eeek!!

sdfalk wrote:

PeterMcCStrat wrote:

sdfalk wrote:Guess Im not most users...

not trying to sound condescending at all,

do you have any 3rd party VU's? or Reason?

Do you think the DP VI's compare?

best-

Peter

Not at all Peter..

I have various softsynths from pluggo, Cameleon 5000, linplug, Mode/Tassman etc.
I wouldn't put DP's included soft synths on a par with any of them.
That's not really the point though.
For soft synths included with DP at a very reasonable price, I think
they sound fine.
I even use Nanosampler on occasion in sound design projects on
films.
Very useful for triggering sfx via MIDI controller.
There all very CPU efficient and very useful (for me obviously)
for many different tasks.
I'm re-using a bunch of old LM-4 Drum samples with the new DP
drum machine.
Maybe it's cause I'm more of the weirdo sound-design/experiment/
pull sound apart guy, then musician..I dunno..
I get a huge kick out of tweaking simple stuff to get the most out of it.
OR I'm 40 and my ears are going!!!eeek!!

To add: I think the DP VIs can sound rather "meh" on their own, but sometimes they can be just the right thing for a mix -- just as a VI like Absynth can sound tremendous on its own, but can also require great finesse to fit in a mix. Sometimes simple is best.

I've definitely put DP's VIs to some use. Not a lot, but when they worked, they worked.

Peter - I made a bunch of Modulo presets that I passed out as freebies on this site months ago. If you want copies, shoot me a PM and I'll hook a brutha up.

sdfalk wrote:I'm re-using a bunch of old LM-4 Drum samples with the new DP
drum machine.

heh. i still have mine, too, and will probably be doing the same thing. i still have the kit files, too. i thought lm-4 was the •••• when i bought it...my first taste of vi.
i have this sample of a linn snare floating around someplace...it sounds kinda cheesy, but if you add a little bottom, it suddenly becomes sweeeet. it was part of a freebie k2000 sample kit i downloaded years ago. can't wait to use that one again.

kell

crufty wrote:model 12 is pretty good. Add round robin/multi sample and it'd be on par w/battery.

nanosampler/proton/modulo all pretty good. polysynth is above average, but it's a simple vi, so...not much you can do about that. bassline is pretty weak. But then anything less then a full 303 is going to be pretty weak as well.

But, if I think they are good, why do most people think they suck? Do I suck? Probably! My thinking is that folks think the vi are lacking due to:
a) lack of presets; in the day and age when a free VI has over 1000 (crystal etc) a sprinkling is not going to impress folks
b) lack of effects; most vis include some kind of built in effect engine, which if you listen carefully, is used for maximum impact (que house organ hits). I don't think that DP's do, though I never really looked that closely.
c) Lack of built in gate/arp (que trance chords)

Crufty,..

I have to laugh at your post,... of course you don't suck,. I surely didn't mean to imply that at all, I hope I didn't.

I think I'm just spoiled by Atmosphere, Pro 53, Trilogy, RMX, BFD, DFH, Giga, Kontakt, and Reason etc,..

DP made a good offering I suppose but having those, I don't reach for DP's ever,. I checked them all out and found them weak.

Logic's are on par, ever play the Logic rhodes?,.. pretty scary man for a freebie,.. if Chick Corea thinks so,... that'l do for me,.. whole other league,.. I dunno,. nuff said, I guess like was said earlier,.
it's what you do with them.

Best-

Peter

the difference being that some of logic's vi's were previously available as 3rd party offerings.
dp's vi's strike me more as le's or introductory vi's to at least get you started with a pretty good bread and butter pallette. i wouldn't say they're either spectacular or horrible...they serve their purpose.
motu simply had to keep up with the joneses, so to speak. dp was one of the very few daws with no bundled vi's at all till pretty recently. everything out there has them now...

kell

..and to get a bit back on topic..(what WAS the topic again??)
As DP gets updated, I'm sure the included VI's will be furthur developed/
added to anyway.
Who knows..maybe there will be an option to purchase DP bundled
with all of Motu's higher end virtual instruments..which would of course
bring it more on par with Logics price perhaps.

Distributed audio anyone? Can this be on the wish list? It is built into OS X x-grid. It woud really help all of us who invested big $$ in G5s to keep them around as effects processors at least.

CC

Global fader trims from group. Have 96 channels to trim? Simple!. Put in - or + number and it does it to all while stopped so it doesn't crash. When your near the CPU limits this would REALLY be helpful. Actually, anytime.

Also Please Input direct monitoring in the main mixer.

I would be so bold as to request a VI that has the ability to produce Grammy-award winning pop songs so I can quit work and everyone can be really sore with me for being a "sell out."

Sweet.

Let's not forget that there's a lot of engineers, sound designers and even composers who never use VI's and would probably not be real keen on subsidising a whole bunch of bundled VI's that they would never use.

Ever met a sound designer that uses Logic? I haven't.

I would like:

1. User definable MIDI phrasing.

2. Elimination or a big reduction in the interruption in playback when memory or looping locations or song pointer is moved.

3. A graphic representation of all the routing and signal paths in a sequence.

4. Removal of restrictions on which windows can be placed in which parts of the consolidated window. E.g. let me put the meter bridge in the side bar. (I suppose asking for multiple consolidated windows would be an oxymoron)

5. Vertical zoom in the tracks window.

6. Duplicate the mixer solo buttons in the sequence editor.

Mr_Clifford wrote:Let's not forget that there's a lot of engineers, sound designers and even composers who never use VI's and would probably not be real keen on subsidising a whole bunch of bundled VI's that they would never use.

Ever met a sound designer that uses Logic? I haven't.

"sound designer" !? so what is a sound designer? a guy who creates sounds

Eric Pershing ! he uses Logic, but probably not to create the sounds,. but who knows?

doubt the DP plugs will sway any sound designers, or Cubase, Nuendo, PT, Samp for that matter, so if the don't use Logic,. what mystery app does a sound designer use.

not trying to be a wise guy, I just don't get it.

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