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jloeb wrote:
dix wrote:But, since I only use DP for work 8 days a week I don’t need to know what’s wrong with it. At least not until it’s fixed or going to be...
So how do you deal with the issue? Does it just not happen to you/ isn't relevant to your workflow
Is this a trap? Are you trying to get me to write an off-topic post? :)

....but, seriously. I don’t know. I haven’t read through most of the posts to even know what you’re asking. Sorry. I will say I use both MIDI and audio automation extensively on nearly everything I do. Now, if you’d care to start a different thread on this subject I might be persuaded to impart my pearls....spoiler alert: it ain’t much.
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bayswater wrote:Maybe there is nothing more to say about DP 10 until a few of us get it, but meanwhile, those still interested in DP 10 might be better off discussing it here and leaving this thread to those who already don't like it.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28594&p=558071&hili ... ic#p558071
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Since some folks were curious about the VCA faders, when Magix added them to Samplitude last year, to clear up the many questions about those they wrote a pretty good article with examples of how to use them that you can read here:

http://magazine.magix.com/en/mixing-with-vca-faders/

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Its been fascinating to watch this automation ramping subject take hold. On the one hand, I am happy to see this issue get the attention and NEW understanding from some...that it deserves. On the other hand, I did not mean to see this whole thread “hijacked". James is indeed a benevolent and patient man at times...Big Love...However, the fact that this has been debated so much has been an organic manifestation that will hopefully provide insight to MOTU and others as to the general feeling many members have about this. And that in itself is valuable. Freedom is open communication, and any “fear” that free communication will result in a loss of new users shows something “else” is wrong. No software company should feel a need to hide its issues or user debates.
A couple clarifications:
* MIDI does NOT suffer from ramping. MIDI is fine. Bravo.
* The issue of audio being connected to automation is not a pert of this ramping issue. Yes, if one were to grab a soundbite, and expect its automation to move WITH the soundbites, then such connectivity could be an issue. But I am not asking for such.
* There are other automation features that I cannot live without in DP, and love love love, such as snap shot. Fantastic stuff. There is so much “mixing” potential to DP ruined by this ramping, because the other features are frigging FANTASTIC>
* I will repeatedly re state the simplicity of my request to avoid deeply technical “arguments”, sending us all down rabbit holes. Getting too technical results in the misguided idea that what I am asking for is “yet another “feature” request”. Wrong. It is a nuts and bolts level song building requirement.
To be simple and clear---Us users need to be able to ACCURATELY paste sections of a song around, without anything prior to, or subsequent to the paste being effected in any way whatsoever. Ive seen magic D, (whose done more for DP than I ever will and deserves our utmost respect), speak of how DP mixing works great for him. I’ve seen others say many other things. Again, I see NO logical argument possible to my point...... A user should be able to paste sections of a song around and 1) get a perfect duplicate mix in the pasted section. 2) Not have anything else effected by the paste. This is REAL a world requirement. I see no possible argument against such a simple request.

More specifically----If one pastes chorus 1 into chorus 2, one should have 1) An exact duplicate of the mix from chorus 1, IN chorus 2) and 2) Nothing in verse 2 prior to chor 2 should change, and nothing following chor 2 should change. This is pre school requirements. Share your crayons level stuff.
I appreciate the attention this issue has received, even if it has angered some thinking the thread has been “hijacked” Still hoping hoping hoping And if MOTU fixes this issue, you’re gonna see me writing the biggest thank you letter in the history of the “aggravated chipmunks” society... :dance:
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toodamnhip wrote:more specifically----If one pastes chorus 1 into chorus 2, one should have 1) An exact duplicate of the mix from chorus 1, IN chorus 2) and 2) Nothing in verse 2 prior to chor 2 should change, and nothing following chor 2 should change. This is pre school requirements. Share your crayons level stuff.
Precisely. This isn't about the member-measuring discussion of "Oh i don't make music like that so why should I care" etc. It's about whether we want DP to compete with the big boys as a MIXING platform. Point blank, it does not. Don't take my word for it though...the market speaks for itself.

Throughout my comments about automation, I have always brought up the fact that I appreciate the new features DP10 brings to the table (VCA faders - a 100% 'nod' in the direction of those that mix for a living) so as to keep it relevant.

FWIW, I believe criticism of DP's automation system to be far more relevant to the thread than the qualities of Italian-American espresso...
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OldTimey wrote:
toodamnhip wrote:more specifically----If one pastes chorus 1 into chorus 2, one should have 1) An exact duplicate of the mix from chorus 1, IN chorus 2) and 2) Nothing in verse 2 prior to chor 2 should change, and nothing following chor 2 should change. This is pre school requirements. Share your crayons level stuff.
Precisely. This isn't about the member-measuring discussion of "Oh i don't make music like that so why should I care" etc. It's about whether we want DP to compete with the big boys as a MIXING platform. Point blank, it does not. Don't take my word for it though...the market speaks for itself.

Throughout my comments about automation, I have always brought up the fact that I appreciate the new features DP10 brings to the table (VCA faders - a 100% 'nod' in the direction of those that mix for a living) so as to keep it relevant.

FWIW, I believe criticism of DP's automation system to be far more relevant to the thread than the qualities of Italian-American espresso...
I think it's about time TDH and others with an interest actually do some work to show the behavior.
It's took years to clarify that it's only Track automation that really has this issue, and that's just a start.

I'm probably too new to understanding the full range of what's going on with it to really do one myself, (I admit I'm still a bit baffled by snapshot automation, but it does seem to help with some of the issues for instance) but I do have some downtime. Obviously this sort of thing should be split off to it's own thread at this point, I can agree about that, but it should be done. I really do feel a lot of the misunderstanding about this, or overt concern that people are calling DP broken stems from a lack of comprehension of what exactly is happening.

Some of the reason to feel so strongly about it stems from the fact that beyond this one issue as far as my needs are concerned, DPs automation features are outstanding.


Also, I made an attempt in my last post MLC, to get this thread back on track, but no, you just had to complain about the complainers some more, and spark the "debate" back up! :lol:
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What I meant, was someone should start a thread that shows with .jpgs or a link to a quicktime movie hosted on youtube exactly the wackiness of this behavior, and how it differs from other DAWs. I recognize this is not "the forum" for criticism and I get that want/need for sure, but I think new features and old bugs will pop up in discussion when a new version is announced, it is organic to have it all in the same ridiculously long thread! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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In terms of functionality this thread has been dead for a while now. As far as “someone should...” I say go for it.
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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:In terms of functionality this thread has been dead for a while now. As far as “someone should...” I say go for it.
Lol! we're all just waiting anxiously around for the upgrade!
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It turns out the beat detection and manipulation might be just the thing on my current project. I hope it gets released soon.
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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:It turns out the beat detection and manipulation might be just the thing on my current project. I hope it gets released soon.
I hear you. My workflow for songs is stupidly convoluted. I start things in Live a lot of the time, it's just easier if you only have a few parts worked out to use the Session view in Live with clips. But at some point before finalizing about half the time I end up exporting audio and MIDI and software instruments over to DP to flesh it out. I love Lives Session View, I hate mixing in it and the Arrangement page in it is simplistic.

This is exactly 100% backwards from how I want to be working, and with Clips in DP, I can start and finish a song in DP, export Stems to Live if needed etc. :headbang:
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Michael Canavan wrote:
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:It turns out the beat detection and manipulation might be just the thing on my current project. I hope it gets released soon.
I hear you. My workflow for songs is stupidly convoluted. I start things in Live a lot of the time, it's just easier if you only have a few parts worked out to use the Session view in Live with clips. But at some point before finalizing about half the time I end up exporting audio and MIDI and software instruments over to DP to flesh it out. I love Lives Session View, I hate mixing in it and the Arrangement page in it is simplistic.

This is exactly 100% backwards from how I want to be working, and with Clips in DP, I can start and finish a song in DP, export Stems to Live if needed etc. :headbang:
Ah Ha!!!!
A complaint about something other than ramping automation! Ah Ha!!!! :brucelee: :rofl:
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toodamnhip wrote:Ah Ha!!!!
A complaint about something other than ramping automation! Ah Ha!!!! :brucelee: :rofl:
Lol! not a complaint, an acknowledgment that for me, Clips are going save almost as much time as you'll save when automation ramps happen when moving clips like they do for MIDI. :mrgreen:

I do think we need to visually document this in a thread at some point, but I also think it's only fair to do it in DP10 since it's right around the corner, almost there... not yet.... arrgh! :mumble:
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And at this point clips hold zero interest for me. We'll see, my pretty, we'll see <mad cackle...>

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