Michael Canavan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:35 pm
Hey one thing I'm curious about is how you got the Applications fro 2.72 and 2.9 in the same machine? or is it just that the Komplete Kontrol AU plugin for 2.7.2 can use the back end of the 2.9 KK application and runs in Rosetta natively? Currently I have the latest 3.2.1 AU and VST 3 and the 2.9.4 VST 2. I'm not sure how I could get ahold of the 2.7.2 AU for KK?
I don't have the installer anymore, but I think you can just drop in the component file. I will attach it to this post and you can try it. I don't know anything about the backend. I had to restore this machine once so it has no residual of KK 3 on it. What I would do is archive the 2.7.2 AU before running the 2.9.6 installer so when it overwrote the AU, I could delete 2.9.6 and replace it with 2.7.2.
I'd suggest is running a Time Machine backup just so you have an APFS snapshot to restore from just in case. Then remove the 3.2.1 AU from the components folder and put it in a safe place... then put the 2.7.2 AU in the components folder. Perhaps reboot for good measure, then launch DP and see if you can replicate what I did. If things go back, put things back how they were or worst comes to worst restore from the snapshot.
James Steele wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:55 pm
What just occurred to me is that AFAIK, DP is the only Mac DAW that can pull off this trick, because it's the only Mac DAW that can use both VST3 *and* AU at the same time. AU is the only format that can use Rosetta 2 per plugin without needing to launch the DAW itself in Rosetta. So use KK 2.7.2 AU to load VST2 VIs.... use KK 2.9.6 VST3 to load VST3 VIs
To be clear here, that's not the case at all. I have Live, and Reaper installed here and both can run AU, VST2 and VST3 plugins all in the same project, and all three formats are available for Diva etc. etc. [/quote]
Well that'll teach me. I should research it more. Sure as the sun rises... sure as taxes and death... even MORE sure is that if you get something wrong on a public forum you WILL get called out on it. I said something like that on FB and it wasn't two seconds before I was informed that Studio One and Harrison Mix Bus also can do VST3 and AU. Reminds me I have to go back and a post in another FB group! I'm sufficiently chastised.
Last question if you don't mind. I'm currently able to run Absynth, Hybrid 3 and Loom II in AU as Rosetta plugins in DP, Live and Reaper etc. but they do not respond GUI wise, mostly Hybrid 3 and Loom II do not allow you to change setting via drop down menus, which of course is far from ideal. The only DAW or situation here that works is Bitwig, which only uses VST and came up with their own non Apple Silicon VST2 plugin hosting solution, the drop down menus work there. I have Unify and although it can also host non Apple Silicon native VST2's, they still have the drop down menu issue. Anyway long way of asking if the VST2 plugins hosted in KK as an AU are capable of using their drop down menus? Hybrid 3 for example?
Just checked Absynth... and it was pretty good. Did some clicking around just now in Hybrid 3 and one of the menus shut down the MOTU engine. Just took a look again and the presets menu works fine and seems stable, but if you click the Parts Presets and scroll it shuts down MAS with this error:

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So definitely not stable. For my purposes I really don't edit presets and I load the presets via the NKS support library so I'm not clicking the UI much, so I guess I can get by. Gonna try Blue Cat PatchWork... hang on...
Well that's not good. This is what I get loading Hybrid 3 AU via PatchWork. The second level of the popup menu hides behind the GUI. Although if I click the spot where the menu item would be it loads it. Ugh.

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I just tried to load Hybrid into PatchWork as a VST. It wouldn't load and curiously (see below) it appears as a folder rather than a VST plugin. Not sure why that is and why KK 2.7.2 doesn't have a problem with it. I may need to reinstall it and see.

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The bottom line for me, however, is that I use these things like ROMplers. I'm not a programmer and don't really intend to edit. So if I load up a patch using the KK 2.7.2 interface and just play the stock sounds... it all seems to work well enough.
The other thing is that at some point I'm going to just purge this all and decide to shed these old plugs as much as I like them. I'm hoping AIR Music will release and update some day. I know Absynth is dead and that's a shame. But this is sort of a temporary solution until plugs are updated or I just decide to give up on it. Would be the first time that we have to sacrifice good pieces of software because of this.
One thing I haven't tried yet is opening Hybrid inside Vienna Ensemble Pro server. Okay... tried to load inside of that. That was a total fail... not even a GUI appeared.