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Hey Wonder

I Could get offended by you calling what i do (mixing) techy stuff. LOL

I think of a great engineer as an extension of the musicians. He hears the colors are space that are needed to bring the musicians vision to aural life beyond the notes and patches used.

Great mixing is a balance of all the elements to create a great audible/visual performance of the artists vision after he has done the nuts and bolts (tech stuff) if playing , etc......

true...but for me...when that LASTnote is dropped....i dont wanna fusss with turning knobs and patching cables.

i guess i just get so used to hearing the "tracking" sound of the instruments that i dont like decided on the "mixed" sound.

I'd rather play than eq.

Well IMO that is the best way to go. One person can possibly do everything but remember the old saying. Jack of all, master of none

I agree about the UAD1 Studio Pack... It is incredible. I haven't heard the more economical "Project Pack", but it's probably decent as well, especially if you're not looking to make a huge investment.

<small>[ November 03, 2004, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: mortvillefugitive ]</small>

Originally posted by revi:


My question: has anyone tried the Nomad Factory Blue Tubes bundle? It appears to run on DP (though there is conflicting info on their reseller's site). I've heard that their sutff compares sonically quality-wise with WAVES. Free trials and _reasonable_ (roughly $400 for the bundle) prices.

Hi
I have been using the BlueTubes for the past two years. The Pultec inspired PEQ2A and PEQ2B are really warm, smooth sounding eqs.

The tech support is fast and friendly.
Check out the demo!!!

so...in other words......there isnt a final answer?

I'm leaning towards WAVES to save a little bit of cash.....?

Wonder, download the BlueTubes 10 day fully functional demo before you spend a dime with Waves. They may be the most "well-known" but they are also very well known for their lack of support to their customers, overpriced software, including plug-ins in bundles that you will never need/use, and their update/upgrade policy is terrible. There are many pros in the industry who are finding alternatives to Waves at the moment. We just dropped them from our product line if that tells you anything.

I just found out waves cost 2k. YIKES!

Originally posted by wonder:
I just found out waves cost 2k. YIKES!

For what it is worth, you can get the Platinum Bundle for about $1300-1500

Mr. Wonder, I notice we have very similar setups only you are in LA and I am in NYC. That said, what is more important is that we share a very similar attitude towards the entire "techy" issue. I engineer by default simply because that is what one must do these days, at least for tracking in a home studio. Nevertheless I share your preference for actual music making rather than knob twiriling (pun intended).

Anywhoo...I managed to get a great deal on the UAD-1 Studio Pak. Sounds great. But in the end, preferences for signal processors is way too subjective. One nice thing about the UAD compared to Waves is that UAD is a platform coming into its own whereas Waves is older stuff, older technology and possibly at the end of its life cycle particularly in light of a recent article I read in which the writer argues that Waves has not updated there programs or basic programs since inception and thus is falling behind the cutting edge curve.

What is that phrase, talking about music is like dancing to Art or something like that. Talking about plug ins as a way to determine if you will ike one over another by definition relegates your basis of deciding to quantity rather than quality since quality can hardly be communicated by words. Although some can write eloquently on the subject, in the end, if ten people say waves and four say UAD, you are likely to conlude that Waves is better if you base your determination on interenet queries rather than your own two ears.

And, one other small point....I vote for UAD because I have UAD. I want to believe that I have made the most intelligient choice, the better sounding choice. People drive Jaguars not necessarily for the great ride but to say something about themsleves to the world. There is also an ego element to gear acquisition and certainly in the discussions about gear on the net. Similarly, I tell you UAD is the greatest... UAD "Rocks", I Luuuvvv my UAD...etc. you get the point.

If you take my word on the UAD I have in some subtle way affirmed by belief in myself that I know what I am doing, makde intelligent choices and are thus bound for unbridled success in the music biz.

Grasshopper says, "thank you Sensei"

Are you G5 guys with the UAD-1 finding smooth sailing? I got the sense that the drivers for the card were not working well with G5s for some reason. I would love to hear that the card works well, cause I WANT IT! That said, I can handle the truth either way. LOL!

Originally posted by wonder:
I have not heard of those bundles...i'll check em out...thanks.

the real reason why any of us NEED plugins is for mixing? right?
when, in actuality, i'd rather pay a real studio to use all their outboard gear and mix in the studio than slave over doing it myself....cause I HATE MIXING!!!!

Hey Wonder

I'll b happy to mix for you. Send me one song and if your happy with it's mix and master, we could continue.

Mr. Jeroleen, me thinks thou is quite full of it. People who drive Jaguars, drive them #1, because they can afford them and #2 because they ARE incredible vehicles.Have you ever driven one? With that said, there is a little bit of truth to your statement about gear acquisition. Sometimes we go after gear because we are told that it is the "industry standard". In my case, I am not a wealthy man, but I have a good day job, so I can afford to buy the good stuff if I so desire. My decision to purchase Waves was based on experience only. I started off with the TC Powercore because I didn't want to follow convention like everyone else. (this was before everyone else jumped on the Poco bandwagon) Somewhere down the line, I ended up trying out the Waves stuff and realized that I had made a huge mistake. The Waves stuff sounds much better and has more features. for me, than the TC stuff. The price of the Gold package is somewhere between $800 & $900. That is less than I spent on my Powercore PCI. Now, I don't know anything about this so called article that you are claiming to have read, but I would be interested in reading it, so please provide a link to the article for the rest of us to make our own conclusions. Waves has been around for a long time, but so have tubes and I don't think anyone stays away from tube equipment because it hasn't advanced in quite some time. Quite the opposite, we love tube equipment because it is a proven method of processing desireable audio.

I don't know much about the UAD, but I have seen plenty of posts on this site and other sites about problems with compatibility between UAD and DP, particularly in OSX. Perhaps those issues have been addressed, but if I were to take your approach to this, I would say that UAD is crap because there is information available that says so. However, since I have not sampled the UAD product, it would be unfair of me to make that assumption. Wouldn't it?

ok, since i'm new at the techy stuff....
the WAVES bundles are sold in TDM and NATIVE (i think).
Which one is better? Whats the difference?