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I have the same projects open in 7.23 & 8. Maybe it is how they each are processing the Waves plugins (CLA and Ren Compressor) but 8 leans toward distortion and it does sound different.
Im not laughing...Back to Studio One, I suppose.
It might help us understand your situation better if you posted your system specs.
As you can see from replies, not everyone is experiencing a different sound
in DP8, and no one who has replied has claimed that DP8 is distorting sound. Your situation could be system-specific.
Here's a null test. The same pink noise sample file loaded into both DP 7 and DP 8, bussed and recorded to a new track. Both recordings loaded into DP 7, the two mixed and recorded twice, once summed as is, and once summed with the DP 8 recording inverted with Trim.
Here are the four waves, DP 7 recording, DP 8 recording, the sum of the two, and the difference between the two.
Here's a DSP -Quattro report on the peak RMS value of the nulled recording.
I am not the only one on here that questioned this. I am offended that you are making fun of me.The audio is not the only I take issue with.
DP is not functioning right on my system. Sluggish, extreme spikes in the performance meter, the wiper is jerky or even disappears and will not come back unless I shut down....and this is just what I have found so far.
I have started from new template to see if some of these issues improve.
Plus, not that anyone cares but, they released an update and didnt offer a prefernce in the MIDI input pencil editor for inputting velocities other than 64; no grouping a set of notes or soundbites into a saved selection or region....Im just getting impatient for some very elementary changes and they never come thru into an update.
Are we here to humbly help each other or critisize and be snirky....?
Look, friend, if you show up and say, "The update sounds different," you can expect a certain amount of ribbing. I think the null test shows that if it does sound different on your rig, then it's some kind of setting or system-specific thing (when I started using Logic Pro I thought it sounded harsh and grating: took me a while to realize how easy it was to bump the master output slider and overdrive the interface).
It's just been clearly demonstrated that DP8 does not produce any difference in audio compared to DP7. You hear a difference, the difference isn't in the software. Sounds like you need to do some work on your end.
Finally, you don't sound like you're asking for help in solving problems, you sound like you're honked off that MOTU let you down. There are many of us using DP8 without any of the problems you describe, so instead of assuming that MOTU sent out a faulty release (which nobody could help you with if it were true), perhaps you should join in the discussions where users are trying to figure out the cause of these problems.
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Jim Bordner
MacPro 5,1 (3.33Ghz 12-core), 32g RAM, OS X 10.14.6 • MOTU DP 10.11 • Logic Pro X 10.2.5 • Waves Platinum, UAD-2, Slate Digital, Komplete, Omnisphere 2, LASS, CineSamples, Chipsounds, V Collection 5[color]
Can't we just all get along? Our new friend has the right to voice his opinion. I can tell you Shooshie was being funny and I commented as such. We're an informal gang here and talk openly and honestly, even if it is sometimes misunderstood. I've never experienced that in MY posts, or course. <ahem>
bayswater wrote:Here's a null test. The same pink noise sample file loaded into both DP 7 and DP 8, bussed and recorded to a new track. Both recordings loaded into DP 7, the two mixed and recorded twice, once summed as is, and once summed with the DP 8 recording inverted with Trim.
Here are the four waves, DP 7 recording, DP 8 recording, the sum of the two, and the difference between the two.
Here's a DSP -Quattro report on the peak RMS value of the nulled recording.
Hey Sampolfonz... not trying to hurt anyone's feelings and apologize if I offended. Some folks have been having trouble with DP8, and it seems to me that older video cards may lie at the root of many of these problems. But I always get a little worked up when folks start talking about sound quality in subjective terms when the test bayswater did is objective proof one way or the other. And, as the test clearly shows, their is no difference - 400db null! - between DP7 and DP8.
But I can understand your frustration if DP8 isn't playing nice on your Mac. Anyway, if it makes you feel any better, I'm working with DP7.24 for now and letting all these (beloved) bloody 64-bit bleeding-edgers here at MOTUNation get their kicks. (But I have DP8 on a partition and am messing around a little on the side. Don't tell 7.24. )
I am not the only one on here that questioned this. I am offended that you are making fun of me.The audio is not the only I take issue with.
DP is not functioning right on my system. Sluggish, extreme spikes in the performance meter, the wiper is jerky or even disappears and will not come back unless I shut down....and this is just what I have found so far.
I have started from new template to see if some of these issues improve.
Plus, not that anyone cares but, they released an update and didnt offer a prefernce in the MIDI input pencil editor for inputting velocities other than 64; no grouping a set of notes or soundbites into a saved selection or region....Im just getting impatient for some very elementary changes and they never come thru into an update.
Are we here to humbly help each other or critisize and be snirky....?
Sam
Sam, my Friend,
Humbly we're here, but humbly we have a little fun sometimes. We kind of have a gentlemen's and ladies' agreement to avoid the over-plugging of other DAWs here. The old "I'm just going to pull up stakes and move my tent over to [insert your 2nd favorite DAW here] just doesn't fly well around here. We hear it so much, it just kind of rings hollow. Besides, why would you punish yourself by moving to an inferior DAW, just because you're thinking something sounds different?
There are very good reasons why things may sound different: a plugin may have lost its preset in the leap between DP7 and DP8. You may have lost a routing. There are any number of things that may have happened. This wasn't just a number upgrade in DP. This was a complete rewrite, and it's a major deal. That means sometimes things get lost. Chances are, it's one of those little lost things -- a plugin, a VI, or a something or other -- which is causing your recording to sound different in DP8. If it's distorting, that's a good indication that a plugin has lost its preset, and you've got rampant gain somewhere. It's not that DP "sounds different." I think I can say that with confidence.
So, for the purposes of being a good forum member, were I you, I'd be looking for the possible causes of the difference. Tracking it down might be a good thing to report. But "I'm just going to Studio One" is rather pointless and silly, and rather than get all bent out of shape about it, I thought I'd just laugh a little. No harm done. We're all big boys and girls, here, and we take a lot of crap from each other while managing to keep the peace. Sometimes a little laugh makes all the difference. Reminds me of a song when I was a kid, sung by a woman imitating a little girl, and the refrain ended on a dominant 13th to tonic, with the line "before I eat a tadpole or a worm." (or "before I go back to Studio One." Or Logic. Or Pro Tools. Or Reaper. Or… you name it)
So, there we are. Nobody's the worse off, and we got a chuckle out of the deal. Now, find what's causing your recording to sound different. Hint: it ain't DP.
Shooshie
|l|OS X 10.12.6 |l| DP 10.0|l|2.4 GHz 12-Core MacPro Mid-2012|l|40GB RAM|l|Mach5.3|l|Waves 9.x|l|Altiverb|l|Ivory 2 New York Steinway |l|Wallander WIVI 2.30 Winds, Brass, Saxes|l|Garritan Aria|l|VSL 5.3.1 and VSL Pro 2.3.1 |l|Yamaha WX-5 MIDI Wind Controller|l|Roland FC-300|l|
I am not the only one on here that questioned this. I am offended that you are making fun of me.The audio is not the only I take issue with.
DP is not functioning right on my system. Sluggish, extreme spikes in the performance meter, the wiper is jerky or even disappears and will not come back unless I shut down....and this is just what I have found so far.
I have started from new template to see if some of these issues improve.
Plus, not that anyone cares but, they released an update and didnt offer a prefernce in the MIDI input pencil editor for inputting velocities other than 64; no grouping a set of notes or soundbites into a saved selection or region....Im just getting impatient for some very elementary changes and they never come thru into an update.
Are we here to humbly help each other or critisize and be snirky....?
Sam
Sam, as David said earlier, post your system specs.
That way we might be able to help you, or at least offer some ideas that might create a change in how you use your current system. I as well as many others have not experienced any sonic difference between 7.24 & 8... The null test that bayswater posted speaks for itself. MOTU has beta tested DP8 to death and a negative sonic difference would equate to a no release.
The current version isn't perfect, but most .0 versions of software aren't. With that said, I used DP8 in 64 bit mode last week to program (do playback) for a show on BET called Black Girls Rock which airs this November. My computer was a MBP 2.53 with 8 gigs of ram and 2 internal drives. The OS drive was a 250 gig SSD, plus a 750 gig 7200 rpm drive that I installed after removing my optical drive. The 7200 rpm drive contained the audio files.
My session had 14 chunks and used 8 outputs via a 896HD interface, and on one song I had to drop my buffers to 64 in order to run a wireless mic into an input on the 896HD so I could use a specific effect (monitoring through the effects) on one of the artist. Even with my buffer at 64, DP8 didn't choke. Did I get a processor spike in the performance meter? Yes, but it didn't affect DP8's performance. No slow wiper, no distortion, no degraded audio quality...
At this point, the only 2 reasons why I'm not running DP8 in my studio are, 1. I need to update my MacPro tower since it's an old 2006 model that can't run Mountain Lion, and 2. UAD plugins are currently not 64 bit compatible.
Again Sam, send us your system specs and maybe, just maybe we'll be able to help.
Great family and friends!
Mac Studio M2 Max, MacPro 8 core (trashcan), MacBook Pro 16 in 2023, OSX Ventura, DP 11, Pro Tools, Logic Pro X, Motu 112D, 24Ao, 8M, 896 MKIII, UA Apollo 16, Waves Horizon, Slate Everything Bundle, Plugin Alliance Bundle, UAD-2 Satellite DSP Accelerator, UAD Apollo Twin.
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I have seen so many times where someone did not repair permissions after an install and every thing was wonkey for them.
Mac Pro 2.8G 8 core,16G ram, 500GB SSD, 2x2TB HD.s 3TB HD, Extn Backup HDs,Nvd 8800 & ATI 5770 video cards,DP8 on OS 10.6.8 and OS 10.8; MOTU 424PCIe, MOTU 2408; Micro express. Video editing deck on firewire, a bunch of plug-ins and VI's.Including; MX3 and M5-3. FCP, Adobe Production Bundle CS6. PCM88mx, some vintage synths linked by MIDI. Mackie 16-4 is my main mixers
, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.
Alright guys, points well taken. Bad day yesterday and when I couldn't get DP to work right, frustration just rolls out. My knee-jerk reaction is to jump ship to something I know works.
My install of DP 8 went like this:
Un-install Waves 8, install DP 8; install Waves 9, repair permissions.
Restart Mac Pro by holding down the 6 and 4 (they tell me this re-starts in 64 bit).
Open DP 8 and build a new template from scratch. Save the template, open up a new song project and import 20 tracks of audio (large 1/2 hour long each audio files). Split the long files down to chunks (by song) and begin working. Each of the tracks has Waves CLA and Waves Renaissance Compressor.
The Master and group Masters has Oxford Dynamics, Oxford EQ and Oxford Inflator.
Begin the mix, just volumes and master volume. One instance of Oxford Reverb for the Master vocal reverb, and that's about it.
Someone wanted to know about my system:
Mac Pro 2.66 Quad Core with 12 gig of ram running Mac OS 10.6.8,
Motu 424e with hd192, Motu 1224 as the audio system; Mac Pro with Presonus Firebox,
DP 8, Logic 9, Studio One Pro 2, Cubase 6.5,
Sonnox Mastering Plugins, Waves Mastering Plugins, UAD 2 Duo Card (with several plugins besides the stock one, however useless until they roll over to 64 bit plug ins)
Altiverb 6 (need to upgrade), Komplete 7, East West Quantum Leap Pianos and Orchestra, Motu Symphonic Instrument, Sonic Implants Strings, Alicia's Keys, Steven Slate Drums, Trillian, Celemony Melodyne Editor (now Singletrack), Real Guitar, Real Strat, Basis, Electricity, VI One, Mach 5 II, True Pianos, Akoustik Pianos, Bias Peak Pro Mastering Plug ins, Auto-Tune EVO (more anteres, too)
Probably more that I can't remember at this time....
I just want it to work.....without stuttering, without the wiper disappearing, without the buffer having to be set to 1024. Mind you, have 12 gig of ram in this thing, should be more than enough.
Okay, I have dragged me feet about updating Mac OS as I have other graphic based software that I am afraid will not be compatible yet, but I'm told that DP 8 should be fine with 10.6.8.
I guess I wait for the next maintenance update, but that is a bummer now that I have installed Waves 9, in order to go back to 7.24 I would have to trash that and re-install 8.
Sorry for the attitude....this stuff is just frustrating and I'm trying to trust my ears for what I hear, could be the plug ins processing differently as the null test shows no difference with pink noise. Mmm...
