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Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:33 am
by FMiguelez
FMiguelez wrote: 1.- To make it work, I needed to "Allow all incoming communications" in the Firewall. Where can I find the app in the finder so I can tell Firewall to "Allow only essential communications" + this DP app?
I found the app. Unfortunately the OS will not allow me to select the app and include it in the "Allow" list in the firewall.

No biggie. I was just testing it in my laptop because I couldn't wait to try it. In the studio the G5 has its firewall off anyway, so that won't be a problem.

[EDIT]
Never mind... I just found the other screen where the Auto rewind/stop buttons were hidden.

I LOVE this thing! :D

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:41 am
by KEVORKIAN
FMiguelez wrote:.
Two questions, though:
1.- To make it work, I needed to "Allow all incoming communications" in the Firewall. Where can I find the app in the finder so I can tell Firewall to "Allow only essential communications" + this DP app?
In System Prefs>Security>Firewall you can enable/disable the Firewall and configure advanced settings.

However, I believe the Firewall is off by default and if you are behind a router (like the Airport Extreme) you are protected.

Firewall is only necessary if you are plugging your computer into a public IP directly (with no NAT)

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:53 am
by bjmorgan
I hope they port this over to Android. I just got my Droid X a couple weeks ago and LOOOOOVE it.

This would be a great help when running sound for a live show and listening around the room.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:53 am
by James Steele
msmith92 wrote:Do you like this app better than the ac7?
It's a tough question. The MOTU app is easier to get working. You don't need to launch a helper app or worry about starting it up in certain sequence. You can have DP running and just launch DP Control and it will update the display with the correct location and track info and just go.

Keep in mind too that MOTU only very recently included OSC support beginning with DP 7.2. (AC7 or AC7 Pro is still the only option for users who choose to stay with DP 6.02 - DP 7.12) As of DP 7.2, MOTU has made it easy for third party developers to develop control apps. Even end users can make custom remote control apps using some of the OSC applications available for iPhone/iPad like Touch OSC, etc. MOTU has provided the information necessary to do this. Go to the "Help" menu in DP 7.2 and choose "Control Surfaces Help." A folder will open and you'll now see there's a folder called "OSC Programming Guide" that contains all the documentation needed.

If you look in ./Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/MOTU Control Surface there is now a file called "OpenSoundControl.bundle" which interfaces between OSC devices like DP Control and Digital Performer. What's very cool is Digital Performer itself is handling the network communication directly and doesn't need DSMidiWifi!!

I mention all this before drawing a comparison between DP Control and AC-7, in order to point out that developers like Saitara Software had to jump through MAJOR hoops and come up with workarounds just to get things working, and THEN had to limit themselves to emulating Mackie hardware and interface with DP by using MOTU's Mackie Control driver, which limited what they could do. DP's built-in support of OSC is going to change that. So it's only fair to judge these apps in that light.

DP Control, therefore, because it is using OSC rather than Mackie Control emulation can do many things that AC-7/AC-7 Pro can't. I use AC7-Pro on my iPad so my comparisons are based on that. AC-7 Pro is designed for the iPad where DP Control isn't... yet. On AC-7 Pro you can have transport control, faders, and the ability to record enable a track instantly available, all on the same screen, without having to jump back and forth between different pages. You have a jog wheel. The faders have a longer throw. You can zoom in/out both horizontally and vertically using AC-7 Pro. Some of these differences are likely to disappear if/when MOTU releases an iPad -specific version.

I think for now, both of them are useful... especially if you already own an iPad or iPhone. I mean $10 for the AC-7 Pro? I'm actually surprised MOTU gave DP Control away for free. I would have paid money for it easily. On top of it, I like the idea that even :arrrr: s would have had to actually BUY it and MOTU would have at least gotten some money from those freeloaders.

The key thing is convenience. Kelly Jacklin's bridging app makes it really pretty easy to use AC-7 Pro with DP once it's configured properly. Still, DP 7.2's built-in OSC support is EVEN EASIER and you can launch the remote app at anytime and it just works. Again, this is brand new in DP 7.2, so third party app developers were limited. Now, if they choose, they can use the Programming Guide provided by MOTU and create much more easy to use and capable remote control apps. Users can even create their own by using apps like Touch OSC (there's an iPad version), but be forewarned that transport control is not yet possible in Touch OSC with DP until a future update because Touch OSC can only send a button value of 0 or 1 from what I understand, and DP's spec requires other integer values for transport buttons. The author of Touch OSC has said an update is coming that will fix that.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:01 pm
by KEVORKIAN
msmith92 wrote:Do you like this app better than the ac7?
Beyond what James points out. I think it's key to remember that since iOS Apps launch so quickly, that switching between them for different purposes is ridiculously easy, so you could use any such app to your advantage with little dissonance.

That said... your question was a simple one and I know that I am discussing something on a bit of a different tack.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:13 pm
by James Steele
KEVORKIAN wrote:
msmith92 wrote:Do you like this app better than the ac7?
Beyond what James points out. I think it's key to remember that since iOS Apps launch so quickly, that switching between them for different purposes is ridiculously easy, so you could use any such app to your advantage with little dissonance.
Well, the problem I see is that switching between then requires quitting AC-7 Pro. Switching back to it will not be seamless and you'd have to bank the faders over one and then bank back to sort of re-set AC-7 Pro.

What I really look forward to is iOS 4 for the iPad! In theory, because DP Control communicates using it's own OSC support, and AC-7 Pro communicates via DSMidiWifi, both apps should be able to run simultaneously since iOS 4 multitasks. My hope is then that because both apps can remain in communication with DP, you can switch back and forth between both apps completely seamlessly!!

In theory, an iPad running iOS4 should be able to have DP Control, AC-7 Pro, and even S1 MIDI Trigger (which has it's own helper app now), all running simultaneously and instantly accessible and functional at any time.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:18 pm
by KEVORKIAN
James Steele wrote:
KEVORKIAN wrote:
msmith92 wrote:Do you like this app better than the ac7?
What I really look forward to is iOS 4 for the iPad! In theory, because DP Control communicates using it's own OSC support, and AC-7 Pro communicates via DSMidiWifi, both apps should be able to run simultaneously since iOS 4 multitasks. My hope is then that because both apps can remain in communication with DP, you can switch back and forth between both apps completely seamlessly!!

In theory, an iPad running iOS4 should be able to have DP Control, AC-7 Pro, and even S1 MIDI Trigger (which has it's own helper app now), all running simultaneously and instantly accessible and functional at any time.
Good point. I don't have an iPad (yet), but have been running iOS4 on my iPhone since the beta and this is exactly what I was envisioning (regarding multitasking abilities).

iOS4 is a pretty awesome upgrade. Just the folders alone make life so much better.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:29 pm
by msmith92
I'll check it out. I just upgraded to DP7. So, do I get a group hug now! :)

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:37 pm
by James Steele
msmith92 wrote:I'll check it out. I just upgraded to DP7. So, do I get a group hug now! :)
Well... no smiley for that. all I can do this this... :love: :woohoo: :love:

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:39 pm
by James Steele
KEVORKIAN wrote:Good point. I don't have an iPad (yet), but have been running iOS4 on my iPhone since the beta and this is exactly what I was envisioning (regarding multitasking abilities).

iOS4 is a pretty awesome upgrade. Just the folders alone make life so much better.
Yeah, unfortunately I can't do that I my iPhone 3G. Not only do I hear it runs rather slowly, but I don't think the multitasking capability is enabled on the 3G due to the limitations of its processor.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:49 pm
by KEVORKIAN
James Steele wrote: Yeah, unfortunately I can't do that I my iPhone 3G. Not only do I hear it runs rather slowly, but I don't think the multitasking capability is enabled on the 3G due to the limitations of its processor.
Yeah, definitely don't upgrade the 3G. It's doesn't have enough ram. I have some friends that did the upgrade and had to go back.

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:56 pm
by MIDI Life Crisis
James Steele wrote:
msmith92 wrote:I'll check it out. I just upgraded to DP7. So, do I get a group hug now! :)
Well... no smiley for that. all I can do this this... :love: :woohoo: :love:
Looks more like a fickle gearslut to me...

I love Logic :woohoo: Now I love Cubase :woohoo: Now I love garageband :woohoo: now I love Logic :woohoo: :arrrr: DP sucks :arrrr: :woohoo: now I love Logic :banghead:

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:29 pm
by James Steele
Oh also note that if you have suggestions for the iPhone app, you can tap "Settings" then the little "i" icon to the right of the MOTU logo, and then tap "Suggestions" and it will open a new message in your mail app pre-addressed to a special iPhone suggestions email address. (I don't want to give the address here for fear MOTU will start getting spam at that address).

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:52 pm
by Gabe S.
Wow.

Downloaded it onto iPad, followed the steps in Dave's video---up and running in less than a minute.

Works great!

hmmmm....why is that PreSonus Fader Port still sitting there? :smash: :D

Cheers.
-gabe

Re: MOTU's DP CONTROL for iPhone up on App Store now!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:55 pm
by James Steele
Gabe S. wrote:Wow.

Downloaded it onto iPad, followed the steps in Dave's video---up and running in less than a minute.
Where is Dave's video? Link please?