Re: Bundles not working, what else is new...
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:45 pm
Ha! Boner.
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jmca wrote:Thanks for the trying to open conversation to resolve. I kind of got side tracked with Shooshie. My original topic was about frustration towards MOTU and not the users, in which I am one. The original issue of bundles, I just deal with it as I always have. The reason my situation promotes this ongoing prob is that I switch audio hardware constantly due to on location situations as well as a plethora of certain plugins. Some plugins always work as expected others do not. But the ones that do not have a prob mainly have the issue with DP and not other DAWS on the market. I do not hate DP, but sometimes you get pissed at your wife or one of your many wives. When I'm in the part of the year where I stick with one setup, things tend to run smoothly. Otherwise, DP is not the ideal on location software. At least not for me and many of my associates.
EXACTLY Shoosie! But I do that with session templates and I don't ever have an issue! It took me a while to really grasp it because DP has the chunks thing and that in itself is deep hence the 99 busses! I just keep them all on... haven't had an issue since!Shooshie wrote:jmca wrote:Thanks for the trying to open conversation to resolve. I kind of got side tracked with Shooshie. My original topic was about frustration towards MOTU and not the users, in which I am one. The original issue of bundles, I just deal with it as I always have. The reason my situation promotes this ongoing prob is that I switch audio hardware constantly due to on location situations as well as a plethora of certain plugins. Some plugins always work as expected others do not. But the ones that do not have a prob mainly have the issue with DP and not other DAWS on the market. I do not hate DP, but sometimes you get pissed at your wife or one of your many wives. When I'm in the part of the year where I stick with one setup, things tend to run smoothly. Otherwise, DP is not the ideal on location software. At least not for me and many of my associates.
Have you ever saved and loaded Bundles setups?
C'mon, who's your favorite Village Person?MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Kind of hard to figure out what this guy is looking for...
Drop the personal attacks jmca or I'll bounce your right out of here it two seconds flat. I don't put this board up online to deal with that sort of thing. Cool?jmca wrote:For the DP squealers that are hopelessly in love with DP...
michkhol wrote:By all means this is not personal. Unless someone considers himself the one, but it is obviously not jmca's problem. Besides the guy has the point.
As for the interface, both for DP 5,6-7, it is no better or worse than competition (IMHO) with one glaring omission: no floating windows. You cannot have say a plugin window or a dialog always on top. Given the easiness of how one could have it done using standard window controls, something should be really messed up in the DP's GUI code. This omission can be easily qualified as obsolete.Added by Michael (me) on 2010/03/04 08:49:09 US/Central
Mike,
You are right, this was most likely the corrupted soundbite. DP didn't crash after I reloaded the sequence into a new project.
I hope in the next update DP will report an error and/or fix the corrupted soundbite instead of crashing. I can send you the project with this soundbite if you need it.
Added by Mike (the support guy) on 2010/03/08 14:00:08 US/Central
Hi Michael,
We are always working on updates to improve stability and performance. All updates and news items are posted at http://www.motu.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, so check back periodically or subscribe to our news feed.
What is wrong with that reply? Do you think they seriously need your assistance in providing them with a corrupted soundbite?!?! I'm sure they have computers too.michkhol wrote:I would love to "get back to problem solving" only MOTU does not seem to be interested. Here is the quote from one of my tech-links (before it gets deleted). It clearly shows the MOTU attitude.Added by Michael (me) on 2010/03/04 08:49:09 US/Central
Mike,
You are right, this was most likely the corrupted soundbite. DP didn't crash after I reloaded the sequence into a new project.
I hope in the next update DP will report an error and/or fix the corrupted soundbite instead of crashing. I can send you the project with this soundbite if you need it.
Added by Mike (the support guy) on 2010/03/08 14:00:08 US/Central
Hi Michael,
We are always working on updates to improve stability and performance. All updates and news items are posted at http://www.motu.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, so check back periodically or subscribe to our news feed.
This is a separate gripe and although it would be nice to have, it is not a show stopper. Apple gives you tons of ways to manage windows quickly and effectively so you have got to be able to make this work right?michkhol wrote: As for the interface, both for DP 5,6-7, it is no better or worse than competition (IMHO) with one glaring omission: no floating windows. You cannot have say a plugin window or a dialog always on top. Given the easiness of how one could have it done using standard window controls, something should be really messed up in the DP's GUI code. This omission can be easily qualified as obsolete.
We had a long conversation on GS and for some reason your analogies remain very one-sided:michkhol wrote: As for "the point" let's have an analogy. Imagine every now and then you have a graphics glitch on your Mac so it makes it impossible to continue working (including saving your work). The only workaround that works is to reboot the system. Would you call it "an adult seeking to find answers to bewildering problems" or demand the OS update from Apple? Complete reloading a project/bundles is much like the system reboot but takes much longer.
You are lucky if you don't recognize the standard boilerplate telling in fact the user to take a hike, because apparently you haven't seen them much. I used to work in software support and I know what I'm talking about. And yes, I think they need an assistance with corrupted soundbites because this and similar corruption issues have been plagued DP for years and MOTU has been unable to address them. I also know developers who actually work with their users in resolving issues.KEVORKIAN wrote: What is wrong with that reply? Do you think they seriously need your assistance in providing them with a corrupted soundbite?!?! I'm sure they have computers too.
I was talking about obsolete features, not show stoppers.This is a separate gripe and although it would be nice to have, it is not a show stopper. Apple gives you tons of ways to manage windows quickly and effectively so you have got to be able to make this work right?
I hope you've noticed that I didn't blame anyone in particular in the bundles issue. But if you insist, let's look at it closer. Bundles architecture and implementation is not Apple's or plugin developer's but DP's alone. Other DAWs implement the same concept differently so they are just not able to have this particular issue. So if DP has relatively small market, it is very unwise of MOTU to expect the plugin developers to adapt their software specifically for DP, especially if it already works fine with other DAWs. There is no other to blame, you are either in business or not....
In this case the bundles that are getting messed up belong to 3rd party applications and not Motu (!!!). This means that any fixes are absolutely a 2-way street.
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I recognized it right away and I thought it was appropriately given. I'm not saying that your offer to assist Motu was unwarranted. I'm saying that them not taking you up on it was pretty logical.michkhol wrote:You are lucky if you don't recognize the standard boilerplate telling in fact the user to take a hike, because apparently you haven't seen them much. I used to work in software support and I know what I'm talking about. And yes, I think they need an assistance with corrupted soundbites because this and similar corruption issues have been plagued DP for years and MOTU has been unable to address them. I also know developers who actually work with their users in resolving issues.KEVORKIAN wrote: What is wrong with that reply? Do you think they seriously need your assistance in providing them with a corrupted soundbite?!?! I'm sure they have computers too.
I expect that when a plugin vendor lists "Digital Performer" as a supported host, that they both own a current copy of DP and have tested their application on it to see if it works properly in DP.michkhol wrote:I hope you've noticed that I didn't blame anyone in particular in the bundles issue. But if you insist, let's look at it closer. Bundles architecture and implementation is not Apple's or plugin developer's but DP's alone. Other DAWs implement the same concept differently so they are just not able to have this particular issue. So if DP has relatively small market, it is very unwise of MOTU to expect the plugin developers to adapt their software specifically for DP, especially if it already works fine with other DAWs. There is no other to blame, you are either in business or not....
In this case the bundles that are getting messed up belong to 3rd party applications and not Motu (!!!). This means that any fixes are absolutely a 2-way street.
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I like this analogy and I agree!michkhol wrote: As for workarounds, if you have a leaking water pipe in your house, you can use a workaround by putting a bucket under it and empty it periodically 24/7. It is commendable, but I think you'd agree that fixing the pipe would be a better solution.