Snow Leopard Aug 28. Who are the brave ones?

[mhschmieder]

One of the hidden costs of not upgrading, is that most of our software is now license-protected using software that MIGHT not continue supporting older hardware and/or older OS's.

So it actually might literally become impossible to keep a Tiger PPC with Vienna Instruments and other expen$$$ive instruments and libraries, since less and less of the control is in the user's hands these days.

I was thinking last night about a more rapid Mac Mini upgrade cycle. I'm going to wait for the SEP/OCT product updates to see how the product line gets tweaked. Even the new/cheaper MacBook Pro's are suddenly a bit of an option.

I guess it's good they released Snow Leopard ahead of the new hardware model launches, so that confidence is already there and it isn't a double-risk.

My options are dwindling fast though, as this year has been full of financial shockers, beyond just the salary cuts and investment losses. Robberies, major health emergencies, etc. Bad timing, for sure.

But a lot of people are in this boat, and Apple dropping MacBook pro prices and the cost of upgrade to Leopard, may be a signal that they are taking note of the economy, and will give us even more affordable and appealing options with the SEP/OCT hardware updates.

[billf]

Think the big thing with the snowy feline is gonna be that you are required to have 64-bit drivers.

Does anyone know if MotU MIDI & audio drivers are 64- or 32-bit ?

/B

Edit:
I searched the motu RSS downloads as well as tech notes, and none of them found any 64-bit texts..
so probably not.

Look for the recent thread here where we discussed SL as running a default "32 bit mode." Until we have SL installed to try it, we don't know if that means new drivers will be, or will not be, required. Well, beta testers for SL would know, but then they can't say anything, so it's all speculation on our part.

[FutureLegends]

As I understand it Snow Loepard can run 32 bit apps and stuff with no problem. Think most stuff should just run on it. No need for special drivers and apps. Unless I've misunderstood things.

Think the big thing with the snowy feline is gonna be that you are required to have 64-bit drivers.
Does anyone know if MotU MIDI & audio drivers are 64- or 32-bit ?
Edit:
I searched the motu RSS downloads as well as tech notes, and none of them found any 64-bit texts..
so probably not.

[mhschmieder]

Anyone know if there are any issues with running a 64-bit Windows app in parallel with a 32-bit Mac OS app?

The primary scenario I am aware of is Vienna MIR, which will only ever be released for 64-bit Windows, not the Mac.

It may be though that it is so resource-intense as to require a dedicated computer on its own.

Anyway, I imagine this scenario will come up for other possibilities as well.

[Frodo]

The primary scenario I am aware of is Vienna MIR, which will only ever be released for 64-bit Windows, not the Mac.

I couldn't speak for Windows, but I wouldn't say "only ever... for 64-bit Windows, not the Mac". Unless something has changed in the interim, this came from Dietz:

Vienna MIR will be Windows-only in its first version. We plan for a Vienna MIR Pro (Premium / whatever it will be called) which should support OSX, too, but this will take some time to become reality.

That was posted July 18, 2009-- so there is some hope in the distant future.

[mhschmieder]

Just like we pay a premium for Mac hardware, now we also pay a premium for Mac versions of plug-ins.

[David Polich]

I hereby accept, on behalf of all G5 users everywhere, the horrid "limits" of my PPC Dual 2.3Ghz.

[Frodo]

I hereby accept, on behalf of all G5 users everywhere, the horrid "limits" of my PPC Dual 2.3Ghz.

Indeed-- I'm now wondering if there are any gotchas where using my G5 as a sidecar (eventually) with Snow Leopard on my Intel will become a problem. I'm still running 10.4.11 on the G5 and may get around to putting 10.5 on it.

But really, I'm guessing that it will take *probably* until next summer before the bulk of what I use will be fully 64-bit. Otherwise, things would run in 32-bit anyway.

If it's any consolation, David, I just learned that my Intel MacPro's graphics card won't support the best of Snow Leopard's graphics capabilities. This may be neither here nor there where DAWs are concerned, but that alone would be about a $300 +/- hardware upgrade for a $29 OS!!

[ttoeda]

I have 2008 MacPro and just installed 10.6 over Leopard. DP602 does not work. It seems the driver is not compatible. DP loads but "Emergency Stop" screen comes up that says "The audio harware's state changed while MAS was running. (MotuAudioSystem Mas MasCoreAudioWorkThread.cpp, 393 [60:0]), prompting me to change Hardware Setup(Config Audio System). Upon changing Hardware Setup, I get "Digital Performer has encountered an error. Program error: Client passed an invalid argument to the system. (MotuAudioSystem Ms Masatudio.cpp, 275 [7.0])

Hope MOTU will come up with the update really soon.

Otherwise OS is really snappier all round and I love it. My main app, FCP7 works just fine and better.

tom

[kwiz]

I have 2008 MacPro and just installed 10.6 over Leopard. DP602 does not work. It seems the driver is not compatible. DP loads but "Emergency Stop" screen comes up that says "The audio harware's state changed while MAS was running. (MotuAudioSystem Mas MasCoreAudioWorkThread.cpp, 393 [60:0]), prompting me to change Hardware Setup(Config Audio System). Upon changing Hardware Setup, I get "Digital Performer has encountered an error. Program error: Client passed an invalid argument to the system. (MotuAudioSystem Ms Masatudio.cpp, 275 [7.0])

Hope MOTU will come up with the update really soon.

Otherwise OS is really snappier all round and I love it. My main app, FCP7 works just fine and better.

tom

Wow, I wasn't expecting to hear that. Hopefully Motu will release an update tomorrow in conjunction with Snow Leopards official release.

[mongoose]

I have 2008 MacPro and just installed 10.6 over Leopard. DP602 does not work. It seems the driver is not compatible.
tom

Does it do the same thing with the built-in audio or just with the 828?

[papageno]

Hmmm... I just finished reading about SnowLeopard and booting into 64-bit kernel. The point is, that 64 bit kernel can only boot 64-bit kernel extensions (.kext). All MOTU branded audio interfaces are also using kernel extensions. It is very likely that all current MOTU audio drivers are 32 bit only. This means... we have to wait.

There are some others: PACE (iLok), it is using .kext too. So if anyone is using any sw. product that requires iLok... no way booting to 64-bit kernel. Knowing PACE- 10.7 will be out before they are ready. Oops.

Some fast developers who are using kernel extensions do have 64-bit versions out: LittleSnich, CoolBook to mention some.

I am quite hopeless about my Kensington trackball. If I ever want to use 64-bit kernel, I must get a new input device. Their support is non-existing.

If you really want to read about 32/64 bit modes and differences, then here comes:
http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/Engl ... S/SMS.html

Maybe the above mentioned error with MOTU audio occurred because the system was booted to 64-bit kernel and there was no 828 present any more... just guessing.

[wylie1]

I just posted to follow this thread to see when someone gets up and going with SL.
I'm usually one of the ones to go head first but I'll have to wait this time.
This is on MOTU http://www.motu.com/newsitems/pending/a ... w-leopard/

[Frodo]

Dude-- that's worth a paste-in...

Are you ready to tame Snow Leopard?

Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard is due to ship tomorrow (August 28th). To prepare for this major OS release, MOTU has worked closely with Apple to ensure a smooth transition for your MOTU products when you make the move to Snow Leopard.

In most cases, current versions of your MOTU software have already been made forward-compatible with Snow Leopard, including support for Mac OS X's latest advances in multi-threading, multi-processor operation. In other cases, MOTU software updates or driver updates are now (or soon to be) available to tame the new Snow Leopard in your Mac.

If you need to download a software updater, use your motu.com log-in account. Don't have a log-in account yet? Create one.

If you own an iLok, update your Pace extensions

If you own a MOTU virtual instrument or any other iLok-based product, be sure to download and install the very latest iLok software installer from paceap.com on your new or updated Snow Leopard system.

64-bit support is on the way

MOTU engineering teams are hard at work developing support for Snow Leopard's new, optional 64-bit mode. For now, however, Snow Leopard defaults to 32-bit mode, and all newer Mac models that have the ability to support 64-bit mode (from late 2008 onward) default to 32-bit mode. Therefore, until 64-bit support becomes more widespread for the Mac in general, MOTU recommends running Snow Leopard in 32-bit mode. Stay tuned to motu.com for future announcements about 64-bit support in MOTU hardware drivers and software products.

[dosuna11]

32 bit more like powder snow.