L8 Whoa!

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:51 pm

iMAS wrote:
Timeline wrote:Logic is still too damn toy like for me and say Gdday to this thread guys....
How is L8 toy like ? I find it to be quite the opposite.

Is it because of those "pictured" instrument icons ? Well, you have the option to turn that off.

I agree with Timeline. It looks a little like "so simple an idiot could use it." Not unlike the comparison between iPhoto and Photoshop. Granted, L8 is more advanced in the comparison, but the look is rather dumbed down, IMO.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:04 pm

Speaking of reverbs, even though I have Altiverb, I've come to really dig ik Multimedia's Classik Studio Reverb. Some of the plate stuff just has that wonderful lush sound of the 80s records I loved.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:08 pm

James Steele wrote:Speaking of reverbs, even though I have Altiverb, I've come to really dig ik Multimedia's Classik Studio Reverb. Some of the plate stuff just has that wonderful lush sound of the 80s records I loved.

I bought the WaveArts MasterVerb for a project last month and it is also a great verb. The demo is free, and fully functional for 30 days. Very worth looking at. Their educational discount is 50% if you qualify. The other plug ins are equally good, but not what I need at the moment. The MRNoise was good but I have to admit, the L8 noise reduction may be the only reason I buy the package from Apple.

Talcott · Post by **Talcott** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:27 pm

emulatorloo wrote:
Talcott wrote:That lack of a good reverb in DP is the thing that kills' me.
WaveArts has a good one for 89.00. (30 day demo too)

http://www.wavearts.com/Products4.html

The free LAconvolver convolution reverb works pretty well on an Aux Track. Not real tweakable and an interface that only a programmer could love. But it has "that sound" (that is the sound of any IR you want to load into it).

http://audio.lernvall.com/

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Thanks for the links

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:53 pm

Oh... it's not really much in this topic, but I have to give a big thanks to Chrispick for I believe mentioning mda Detune in another thread. He's absolutely right... It's the coolest thing since sliced bread on guitar solos and it's free.

Here is my basic general purpose setting for lead guitar:

blue · Post by **blue** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:58 pm

Detune rocks! I use it for guitars too, or anything else I want to spread out.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:18 am

blue wrote:Detune rocks! I use it for guitars too, or anything else I want to spread out.

I'm so glad I finally tried it out. I'm working on a tune right now and I'm lovin' it on lead guitar. I emailed this plug up to my friend whose studio I mix at because it's just so good at this task. Here's a snippet of the guitar solo with Detune on it. Forgive the mix... it's just a rough for tracking.

FYI, lead guitar is a Dean Razorback > Marshall 1979 JMP 100-watt > Vintage 30s 4x12 > Groove Tubes GT-66 > Millennia HV-3C > HD192.

http://www.jamessteele.com/unicornation ... r_Solo.mp3

Oh yeah... and the amp is set to "unGodly Loud!"

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:44 am

James Steele wrote:Oh yeah... and the amp is set to "unGodly Loud!"

Sounds great, James. And my neighbors thank you for the warning.

duncan · Post by **duncan** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:48 am

Remember when PTLE came out, (the worst DAW known to man,) and everybody bought it because it was cheap? Logic could be the next PTLE. It may have sucky features and sucky VI's, but once it becomes poplular, watch out. Microsoft is another example of that - a horrible OS with a 95% market share.

The fact that Logic has tighter VI timing on input is going to sway alot of people. I can't even use VI's in my DP, because of the latency. I have to use my hardware MIDI sound modules for actual playing, and then use the VI for playback afterwards.

Another drawback with DP is the inablilty to play Apple Loops at different tempos the way they can be manipulated in Garage Band. (At least according to a thread on this forum, Apple Loops are in a secret format, and Apple isn't letting the secret out.) Granted, Apple Loops are chinsy, but they're handy for roughing out songs quickly. Plus, you've got all those Garage Band users wanting to take their songs to the next level, and if you don't have Logic, they're going to be going to the next level in someone else's studio.

I see no problem with using both programs. The problem I see is how Motu is going to stay in business. Perhaps they'll have to abandon further versions of DP and stick to hardware? Whatever. I'm happy with my DP, and I'm still on 4.6.

davedempsey · Post by **davedempsey** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:47 am

I don't need Logic. I don't need Waveburner. I don't think I need any of the Logic Studio bundle (except DVD-A burning), but I'm buying it simply because a lot of people will be using it and, at this price, there's no excuse for me not to provide it as an option in my studio. I've ordered, I'll install it and I'll learn it. My main focus will be on how I can incorporate it into my DP workflow.

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:02 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
emulatorloo wrote:WaveArts has a good one for 89.00. (30 day demo too)
That is the version 4 MasterVerb. MasterVerb 5 is $199

Yes I know, I intended to link to version 4 -- seems to me for the money Version 4 is pretty darn nice. Works on intel macs too!

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chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:08 am

James Steele wrote: I have to give a big thanks to Chrispick for I believe mentioning mda Detune in another thread.[/img]

It wasn't me, but in the spirit of contemporary achievement I'll take all the credit.

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:27 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:It looks a little like "so simple an idiot could use it." <SNIP> but the look is rather dumbed down, IMO.

I have to laugh because I have struggled w Logic for years. I have really wanted to like and use it. And I do use it on occasion. But for me it has always been nearly impossible to deal with. Makes me a Sub-idiot I guess. LOL.

There is a reason I purchased a Performer competitive upgrade from Logic. Ease of use, DP wins hands down.

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kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:53 am

emulatorloo wrote:
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:It looks a little like "so simple an idiot could use it." <SNIP> but the look is rather dumbed down, IMO.
I have to laugh because I have struggled w Logic for years. I have really wanted to like and use it. And I do use it on occasion. But for me it has always been nearly impossible to deal with. Makes me a Sub-idiot I guess. LOL.

There is a reason I purchased a Performer competitive upgrade from Logic. Ease of use, DP wins hands down.

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Last point I so agree, although i've ordered L8 as my wife has L 7 and it's too good to refuse but DP still for me

P.s Since we got 2gether she hasn't used Logic much but maybe one day eh eh eh

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:47 am

James Steele wrote:Speaking of reverbs, even though I have Altiverb, I've come to really dig ik Multimedia's Classik Studio Reverb. Some of the plate stuff just has that wonderful lush sound of the 80s records I loved.

I've always said you're an '80s child, Jimbo.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:The MRNoise was good but I have to admit, the L8 noise reduction may be the only reason I buy the package from Apple.

You're kidding, Magilla.

After I sell PoCo, I'll need some sort of NR, and have already considered this option too.
Unless MOTU includes one soon, along with a bunch of other essentials like a pro 'verb, I think I'm gonna implode - I love MOTU and 'Cornies too much!