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Matcher wrote:I think when he refers to equipment, he doesn't mean sw like dp and also so far this thread has been all about the motu hw.
Methinks you think wrong. Read the very first pos: a fishing expedition if ever there was one. Nothing specific about HW, only how bad MOTU's tech support is. In fact, it had to pulled out of him what his problem was.

I don't doubt he has had problems (who hasn't?) but don't pull a Bush on us here. He is going to war on tech support problems in general and now you are switching it to a hardware issue. It is/was not. It is an issue with MOTU tech support in general.
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Hah, I'm not turning it into anything, this thread has dealt with the TS issues and motu's politics with HW problems, the word equipment further demonstrates this point in the post that you quoted. There's hardly any discussion about motu's TS not helping out with dp issues since this board is the best TS for dp. In a discussion like this there's no need for you to start proving that dp works for many of us.

But let's not pull that douchebag Bush on us, I know you meant nothing bad with your kind words about dp.
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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
Matcher wrote:I think when he refers to equipment, he doesn't mean sw like dp and also so far this thread has been all about the motu hw.
Methinks you think wrong. Read the very first pos: a fishing expedition if ever there was one. Nothing specific about HW, only how bad MOTU's tech support is. In fact, it had to pulled out of him what his problem was.

I don't doubt he has had problems (who hasn't?) but don't pull a Bush on us here. He is going to war on tech support problems in general and now you are switching it to a hardware issue. It is/was not. It is an issue with MOTU tech support in general.
It is an issue with both MOTU HW and tech support. It didnt have to be pulled out of me at all. The only reason i was reluctant to post it again is because i've posted here a million times before and havent had any advice that has solved the problem (not from a lack of trying from forum members mind you). I'm even sick of hearing my own (virtual) voice complaining about this crap. Having had no joy whatsover from tech support, i merely wanted to know what was going on there. Are MOTU tech support the guys that also make this gear? Are they qualified? Do they refer to the technicians regarding problems? Do they keep a database of customers problems and add to it whenever problems are solved? these are not unreasonable questions to ask.

But i thought i'd at least give my problem one last shot. And as you probably noticed there havent really been any replies in this thread regarding my specific problem. I dont why everyone's talking about dp. I dont even own it. Where the hell did that come from?? :shock:

You cant talk about MOTU HW and tech support as completely unrelated subjects. If your gear screws up, you ask the person who made it whats wrong. If they have no idea, well, then who does?

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I haven't talked to tech support yet, but I have noticed something.....

I always forget to call until late in the day, and have tried several times....I work at a music store, and its often after 2 before I get a chance to make calls of a personal nature (west coast, so after 2 is like 5 there).

Just an observation: they seem to like to take the phone off the hook about 30 minutes or so before actual posted "closing" time. LOL. Either that or they only have one line? I've never talked to MOTU support....everytime I call, the line is busy.

Just an observation. LOL.

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amounra wrote:Just an observation: they seem to like to take the phone off the hook about 30 minutes or so before actual posted "closing" time. LOL. Either that or they only have one line? I've never talked to MOTU support....everytime I call, the line is busy.

Just an observation. LOL
I think that's not an observation, that's a completely wild guess and it's pretty unfounded. They don't put people on hold so you do get busy signals a lot. I don't think it's fair to suggest that they take the phone off the hook before tech support hours are over. They run a pretty tight ship at MOTU, so I seriously doubt that.
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amounra wrote:I haven't talked to tech support yet, but I have noticed something.....

I always forget to call until late in the day, and have tried several times....I work at a music store, and its often after 2 before I get a chance to make calls of a personal nature (west coast, so after 2 is like 5 there).

Just an observation: they seem to like to take the phone off the hook about 30 minutes or so before actual posted "closing" time. LOL. Either that or they only have one line? I've never talked to MOTU support....everytime I call, the line is busy.

Just an observation. LOL.
howdy...former motu customer service dude here. i can tell you that they most certainly do not take the phone off the hook during business hours. it is much harder to through later in the day simply becasue more west coast folks are calling in by then...early in the day it's mostly east coasters becasue of the time difference and is a bit easier to get through. unfotunatly for west coasters, that means having to call in at 6am when its 9am here...
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Atardecer wrote: Are MOTU tech support the guys that also make this gear? Are they qualified? Do they refer to the technicians regarding problems? Do they keep a database of customers problems and add to it whenever problems are solved? these are not unreasonable questions to ask.
I worked for MOTU support in the late 90s. These answers are from my experience back then. It doesn't sound like things have changed all that much - if at all - which is partly comical but also rather tragic. And yes I know - "MOTU tech support had some problems in the past but we've really focused on improving and we provide a much much better service now. blah, blah, blah. etc." We were saying that in the 90s too.

MOTU tech support does not make the gear. I doubt this has changed. Training consisted of "Here's the manual!" We were not allowed to discuss matters with the actual product engineers. There was practically a brick wall between engineering and support. Inexplicably, there was no centralized database nor something like a daily or weekly email of new known issues. Instead, each tech just had to know the answers. Or they could try putting the caller on hold and waltzing around the office trying to find somebody who might know something. There was no queuing system - "We don't want our customers to be charged by their phone company for their hold times" - nor could calls be escalated or forwarded. If a caller was unlucky enough to get a new tech, and the tech didn't know the answer, that caller was SOL. Unfair for the tech, unfair for the caller. I really really hope they've changed this. Anyone know?

Tech support was very good at getting out new discs to people. That was the easiest way to handle calls, send them another copy. Seemed like people from NYC caught on to that quick and were always asking for another copy. Besides sending out discs, tech support was good at answering the basic questions (e.g. "Why am I not getting any audio through my MIDI cable?", etc.) When you hear people say they had a good experience with MOTU tech support it was usally one of those two cases.

Pros generally didn't waste their time with support. Either they knew of a MOTU guru locally or either knew a higher up person at MOTU or knew somebody (like a salesperson) who knew a higher up person at MOTU to get their problems resolved. When a pro would call, first thing out of their mouths was often "Don't waste my time. If you don't know the answer, just say you don't know." Not done in a rude fashion, usually just a friendly matter-of-fact tone. The MOTU "hold" button was just a mute. Don't know if this has changed, but I'd refrain from swearing when you're put on "hold" to be safe.

I like helping people, I love music tech - but this was the worst job I've ever had. MOTU support was essentially left to hang out in the wind with little training and little backing. Even as my first real job I could tell support was horribly and haphazardly mismanaged. The guy running tech support was a good guy but wholly incompetent and in way over his head when it came to running support. In my mind, it still serves as the model of how to not run a support group. The pay was 18k/yr.

No idea if MOTU has ever hired a professional Customer Service manager to run the place or even consult for six months, but judging from the comments on this board I somehow doubt it. If that's the case its an incredibly myopic and financially foolish decision. MOTU didn't need more techs, they needed to be professionally structured and run.

I hope that negative comments about support don't dissuade anyone from buying MOTU. Support almost everywhere pretty much blows. Message boards like this are much more helpful then most tech support lines.

On a positive note, MOTU software is very, very cool. They've got some brilliant people designing their products. I only talked with the CEO briefly but he instantly won my respect. Jim Cooper, the head of marketing, is The Man and possibly the coolest mofo you could ever possibly hope to meet. Extremely intelligent. Extremely cool. SuperDave is great too. He knows his stuff and is an all around good guy.
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Atardecer, if you're still watching this thread.

Your hardware problem sounds very similar to the Digi 002-rack power harness issue which has plagued the majority of Digi 002r users. The problem was so common that when I rang the store where I bought it and explained what was happening the guy instantly said "Oh, that'll be the power-harness, you'd better bring it in, DigiDesign has sent us a bunch of replacement ones..." so I went and got it changed. It was a 5 minute job which involved the guy opening it up and changing the ribbon-type cable that sits in the inside (sorry, don't know the technical terms).

Anyway, trying to keep this short, about a year later it stuffed up again and started doing the same thing. This time the shop told me they would have to get one from the US especially for me (I never heard back BTW), but I had a recording session that afternoon, so I opened up the unit and wiggled the power harness cord around a bit and then shut it again. That was over a year ago and I've never had the problem again since. I guess I'm due again sometime around now.
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I've had very good experience with MOTU tech support. Some points when dealing with tech support people...... no matter how frustrated you are with your problem or tech issues, try to be

1. polite
2. friendly
3. professional
4. civil at all times

This will make the tech support person on the other end of the line want to help you instead of just get you off the phone as quickly as possible! This might seem obvious to most here but I've worked retail and know what it's like to get attacked over the phone, and I'm sure at least some of the power complainers here could use a lesson or 2 in professional behaviour.
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Thank you for that post, KingofTacos. That was all i was after with this thread and that sheds some light as to why a lot of people are frustrated with MOTU tech support. It sems MOTU are just shooting themselves in the foot by failing to really support their products at a competent level...

Mr. Clifford, i have bitten the bullet and sent the unit in for repair. I did have it looked at by a local repairer before this but he couldnt find the problem. The Australian distibutor said that they had a few 828's with this problem awaiting repair. I was told that it probably needed a new PSU or that it was a problem with a capacitor (I know bugger all about electronics so maybe someone can explain about when capacitors go bad!). In any event, they said they will be replacing it with a new unit which is pretty good although i have heard this is the standard for most repairs.

FunkyFreddy, i agree, being polite and respectful is the way to go and will yield better results although i guess its really hard to maintain that veneer when the tech support guy is not even listening to what you're saying and you realise that you may know more than he does about this stuff. I've been looking for a new part time job to get me through university, maybe i could get in on this MOTU tech support caper...

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