DP6 Wishlist

rcannonp · Post by **rcannonp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:48 pm

Maybe MOTU could license the Talent plugin from Sweetwater and include it with the bundled plugins. I would definitely update for that.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:57 pm

rcannonp wrote:Maybe MOTU could license the Talent plugin from Sweetwater and include it with the bundled plugins. I would definitely update for that.

JAJA

I want it too!!

According to Brad, some people actually fell for it! Man, the lack of critical thinking...

No wonder why some manufacturers do get away with outreagous claims, unchallenged.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:12 pm

FMiguelez wrote:
James Steele wrote:
FMiguelez wrote:Another vote here for being able to select tracks in the mixer. Please! I BEG for this!
Yeah, it would sure make using AlphaTrack more enjoyable during mixing.
You just took the question out of my mouth. So, how do you do it then? Do you have to select your tracks in the TO?

Yes... but on the other hand you can step through tracks with buttons on the Alpha Track itself. It's not so bad. I have a large enough monitor that I can have the TO window open at the same time. But being able to click a Mixer fader and have AlphaTrack jump there would be VERY NICE!!

I want to get one, but i was wondering about that...

AlphaTrack is great and don't let that hold you back though... it's still a nice thing to have!

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:34 am

Regarding V-Racks (if it hasn't already been mentioned):

We've got a Chunks Window off to the left or right, we've got a Seq sticky menu way up top in the Transport, and then deletion stickies at the very bottom of the Mixer Window. Would it not be more convenient to have all things associated with V-Racks available in one place?

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:33 pm

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Hi.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but right now I'm working on something that kind of drives me crazy.

I have two 23 inch monitors. The SE, or the MIDI editors are usually extended al the way. It is so hard to work moving MIDI pitches around those windows because it's just so easy to loose your place, and it's hard to guess what notes each little bar represent. You can always look at the mini-keyboard on the left, but if it's not really big it's hard to tell. You have to put the mouse next to the MIDI note, and then look at the keyboard on the left to tell what pitch it is. Sometimes it's just not practical to work with QS, so editing this little note-bars in the SE could be easier. Actually, MUCH more easier.

May I suggest that the different range octaves get divided by a bold line? At least, this way you just have smaller vertical grid places to move the notes to. One other thing that could help is if the note-bars had little letters embbeded in them to tell you what notes they are (A, B, C#, etc). They don't have to be very big. They could be centered in the note-bar, and only the longer ones would contain it. This could be toggled on/off in the preferences.

What da ya think?

rcannonp · Post by **rcannonp** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:17 pm

FMiguelez wrote:One other thing that could help is if the note-bars had little letters embbeded in them to tell you what notes they are (A, B, C#, etc).

These might help.

maswot · Post by **maswot** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:51 am

I just upgrade from 3.6 to 5.12, and I am pleasantly amazed by all the improvements. However, a few 'improvements' really mess up the way I work, after having learned on DP 3.6, and I wish I had the option to accept or reject the 'improvement'. For instance, I wish I could turn off the way the regions will automatically reset themselves every time you work on a different section or track -- sometimes I just want to keep working on the same region and I can't for the life of me understand why I can't just set the damn numbers once and for all, without having to each time go back and re-enter everything. I also wish you could just double click on a track to call up its Event window, as was possible before. These are minor details, but having the ability to turn on and off 'improvements' in each upgrade would be nice for those of us who get set in our ways.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:49 am

maswot wrote:I also wish you could just double click on a track to call up its Event window, as was possible before. These are minor details, but having the ability to turn on and off 'improvements' in each upgrade would be nice for those of us who get set in our ways.

You're right. There have been a lot of changes. And THAT IS the reason you should really take the time to re-learn everything. For instance, what you mentioned there is TOTALLY possible. Just double click on the track, and your preferred edit window will open. It can be the Event list, or the GE. You set that up in the preferences.

zed · Post by **zed** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:55 am

maswot wrote:I also wish you could just double click on a track to call up its Event window, as was possible before. These are minor details, but having the ability to turn on and off 'improvements' in each upgrade would be nice for those of us who get set in our ways.

I am still in 5.11, but it seems to me that in earlier versions, the Event List window was better at automatically displaying information from the selected track. These days whenever I select something in the Tracks or Graphic Editor and then open Event List in my consolidated window, it does not display the information for the same track. And sometimes it will display the right track information but will not automatically scroll to the region you had selected... I believe it used to do this.

I don't think these are intended improvements. I think something just got broken.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:20 pm

FMiguelez wrote:For instance, what you mentioned there is TOTALLY possible. Just double click on the track, and your preferred edit window will open. It can be the Event list, or the GE. You set that up in the preferences.

This is true-- as long as you're working with only two windows at a time. If the SE is your preferred go-to edit window, that's fine. But as soon as you open a third window in Consolidated Windows it goes to whatever editor it feels like it.

I have to echo Zed's observation in that I've been struggling a bit more lately with getting certain things to work that I never had to worry so much about before.

For example, I'll select 3-4 bits of data in the TO, then I'll click the QS icon in the Transport or sometimes the QS button on the window frame. QS opens-- but sometimes it only shows one of the tracks I've selected.

If I happen to be in QS or another edit window and want to go to the MIDI editor, I'll get the right tracks *sometimes*. Other times I'll get the wrong tracks entirely or no tracks at all, and these have to be re-selected manually. It does require some serious rethinking, and not all of these changes in default behavior are documented.

zed · Post by **zed** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:44 pm

Frodo wrote:...I'll get the right tracks *sometimes*. Other times I'll get the wrong tracks entirely or no tracks at all...

Interestingly, I just had a DP crash (for which I lost no data, thankfully). But when I restarted DP and selected a track and opened the Event List (becoming the third section in my consolidated window) it actually displayed information for the track I had selected.

So *sometimes* is definitely the operative word. In these regards DP intermittantly does and does not do what it is supposed to. Hopefully these things will be more reliably in 5.3.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:17 pm

zed wrote:Hopefully these things will be more reliably in 5.3.

I'd settle for 5.2 or 5.13.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:03 am

maswot wrote:I just upgrade from 3.6 to 5.12, and I am pleasantly amazed by all the improvements. However, a few 'improvements' really mess up the way I work, after having learned on DP 3.6, and I wish I had the option to accept or reject the 'improvement'. For instance, I wish I could turn off the way the regions will automatically reset themselves every time you work on a different section or track -- sometimes I just want to keep working on the same region and I can't for the life of me understand why I can't just set the damn numbers once and for all, without having to each time go back and re-enter everything. I also wish you could just double click on a track to call up its Event window, as was possible before. These are minor details, but having the ability to turn on and off 'improvements' in each upgrade would be nice for those of us who get set in our ways.

Not completely sure what's happening here for you, but this may be a case of your needing to specify certain preferences.

Go to the Prefs window and look for this:

I'm thinking that maybe you could experiment with how you set up your selections, and that might stop the problem you have with the ranges getting changed all the time. Selection is half the art of using DP, and learning how to make it work as you wish is the never-ending process of learning all the little tricks to be found in the prefs, the menus, and the COMMANDS window (Shift-L).

Then check your "Smart Selections" here:

See if that helps the problem you're having with ranges getting changed all the time. I'm not sure it will help, but thought it worth a try, and hey, that's what screenshots are for!

Shooshie

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:52 am

And along the same lines, don't forget the Commands Window. (Shift-L) It is comprised of many sections, but for what you're talking about -- selecting, remembering, and maintaining ranges -- you need to focus on the "Transport Commands" section which is near the bottom of the window if you scroll down. It's faster to search for specific items.

In the picture below, I've focused on a number of commands which I think are key in learning to move quickly and developing a commanding workflow that keeps you in control of what's going on.

I've set up my own keyboard shortcuts for these; you may wish to do likewise. Everyone's keyboard shortcuts vary somewhat, depending on what shortcuts get overwritten in other areas.

Shoosh

rcannonp · Post by **rcannonp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:51 am

FMiguelez wrote:.
I have two 23 inch monitors. The SE, or the MIDI editors are usually extended al the way. It is so hard to work moving MIDI pitches around those windows because it's just so easy to loose your place, and it's hard to guess what notes each little bar represent. You can always look at the mini-keyboard on the left, but if it's not really big it's hard to tell. You have to put the mouse next to the MIDI note, and then look at the keyboard on the left to tell what pitch it is. Sometimes it's just not practical to work with QS, so editing this little note-bars in the SE could be easier. Actually, MUCH more easier.

May I suggest that the different range octaves get divided by a bold line? At least, this way you just have smaller vertical grid places to move the notes to. One other thing that could help is if the note-bars had little letters embbeded in them to tell you what notes they are (A, B, C#, etc). They don't have to be very big. They could be centered in the note-bar, and only the longer ones would contain it. This could be toggled on/off in the preferences.

What da ya think?

Something that I would like to see that is in the same area as this is the option to fold down MIDI notes so that the pitches of the notes on the track are the only ones that show. That's one of the few things that I like about editing MIDI in Live. Maybe there could be a little button near the quick view filter button, or something like that.